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Old 07-17-2007, 12:01 AM
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Lasix is just one drug. It just gets brought up because it's obviously over-used. It also makes a tremendous masking agent.

I'd prefer everyone run on hay, oats, and water....and if anything shows up on a test the punishments ought to be draconian.

But hey, good luck with that ever happening. Right?

The foal crops were much larger through the 80's than they are today. And in this modern enviornment, speed oriented horses often make better sires.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:12 AM
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Lasix is just one drug. It just gets brought up because it's obviously over-used. It also makes a tremendous masking agent.
I'd prefer everyone run on hay, oats, and water....and if anything shows up on a test the punishments ought to be draconian.

But hey, good luck with that ever happening. Right?

The foal crops were much larger through the 80's than they are today. And in this modern enviornment, speed oriented horses often make better sires.
This is fiction with the new testing that has been in place for years
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:15 AM
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The foal crops were much larger through the 80's than they are today. And in this modern enviornment, speed oriented horses often make better sires.
The foal crop increase began the era of breed anything to anything which has led us to today.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:27 AM
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The foal crop increase began the era of breed anything to anything which has led us to today.
I guess we are just going to have to disagree....

I've looked at some pedigrees of good horses from the days when foal crops were very small, and some of them looked like breed anything to anything types.

Arguably the two most important broodmares in American racing history, La Trioenne and Frizette, were both very moderate race mares. I believe one a career maiden, and the other a claimer who died in slaughter.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:46 AM
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I guess we are just going to have to disagree....

I've looked at some pedigrees of good horses from the days when foal crops were very small, and some of them looked like breed anything to anything types.

Arguably the two most important broodmares in American racing history, La Trioenne and Frizette, were both very moderate race mares. I believe one a career maiden, and the other a claimer who died in slaughter.
You are making my point for me. That racing success of the sire and dam, drug induced or not, can have very little to do with the success or lack thereof of the foals
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:07 AM
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I know that.

I think the drugs are the reason why their is an emphasis on speed in the pedigrees....that's my point.

And to further prove your point, the smallest crop ever foaled was the 1919 crop (two years after Man O' War) with just 1,665 horses. There are roughly seven times as many humans with trainers license now than horses than.

The star of that crop (11-for-11 at age two, and won his 3yo debut in the Kentucky Derby to go 12-for-12) was the very modestly bred Morvich. The first Cal Bred to ever win the Derby.

As I remember, his father was a very modest horse who couldn't stay, and his mother never won a race.
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Old 07-17-2007, 03:11 PM
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...16delmeds.html The statistics mentioned are fascinating.
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Old 07-17-2007, 03:13 PM
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And another..
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...z1s16bute.html
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