Polyhater...

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Honu

Storm Cat has ruined the breed , the sooner he is pensioned or dies the better off racing will be.

can you explain?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

can you explain?

Fragile horses , bad airways, bad feet , bad knees and bad attitudes. How many Storm Cats do you see run as 5 yr olds?

[MISTERGEE]

a half million dollar stud fee for all that?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

a half million dollar stud fee for all that?

I know , its highway robbery....... My bosses owners dont breed to him very often but we have had about 10 come thru the barn and they are a nightmare. When they gallop they dont bend their knee's , they always have throat issues and need myectomys and tie forward surguries which usually are a waste of time and money and their feet are often mal-conformed and dont match. Sometimes when they come in they are nice to be around but as soon as you start to put the pressure on them they melt mentally.
I dont care if I ever see another Storm Cat bred horse as long as I live , and whats worse are all the sons to him that are out there just throwing that crappy gene to more horses. Good example , Giants Causeway , every single one I have been around has been hard headed , extremely nervous , and not a good doer , they sweat and fret everyday and get so wound up that if they were human they would prolly commit suicide.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Honu

I know , its highway robbery....... My bosses owners dont breed to him very often but we have had about 10 come thru the barn and they are a nightmare. When they gallop they dont bend their knee's , they always have throat issues and need myectomys and tie forward surguries which usually are a waste of time and money and their feet are often mal-conformed and dont match. Sometimes when they come in they are nice to be around but as soon as you start to put the pressure on them they melt mentally.
I dont care if I ever see another Storm Cat bred horse as long as I live , and whats worse are all the sons to him that are out there just throwing that crappy gene to more horses. Good example , Giants Causeway , every single one I have been around has been hard headed , extremely nervous , and not a good doer , they sweat and fret everyday and get so wound up that if they were human they would prolly commit suicide.

Thanks for that, Honu. Very interesting stuff.

--Dunbar

PS--Honu, I pulled an idiot stunt by getting fried at Hapuna on Wednesday while spending 3 hours riding an excellent shore break. Thinking of changing my handle to Aloe Man.

My guess is someone is just going to have to take a close look at the handle. If the tracks are making money because people are betting the poly, but the so called more estute cappers drop out, so be it. The betting public ultimately pays the purses. The betting public is one of the two entities that make this whole thing work.

Owners, breeders, trainers will also have to adjust accordingly also. If we have a bunch of large fields with lots of money coming in, get ready to learn how to cap it, and cap well. If they have made the sport into a crap shoot with the surface, then welcome to Las Vegas coming to your track with the sythetic surface.

This will be a very interesting wait and see. Especially with all the TC races on dirt. How exactly to prep. And as more of the major dirt handicap races go synth. and turn out to be successful from a handle perspective... very interesting future.

We will see who can stomach change.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

Fragile horses , bad airways, bad feet , bad knees and bad attitudes. How many Storm Cats do you see run as 5 yr olds?

You are making too much sense honu......

[Honu]

Originally Posted by GPK

You are making too much sense honu......

plttth

[PSH]

What are some of your favorite stallions that produce offspring that you work with? Also, it appears the Mandella barn is coming on strong with many competitive two year olds. Any that have caught your eye yet to make their first start? Lastly, what are your current favorite horses to work with?

Thanks and i enjoy your comments and perspective that you bring....

PSH

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by PSH

What are some of your favorite stallions that produce offspring that you work with? Also, it appears the Mandella barn is coming on strong with many competitive two year olds. Any that have caught your eye yet to make their first start? Lastly, what are your current favorite horses to work with?

Thanks and i enjoy your comments and perspective that you bring....

PSH

To add to the questions...where is Orientation Hall?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

To add to the questions...where is Orientation Hall?

He just came back in , he had a sore shin so he got turned out for a while , he hasnt worked yet so he most likely will be ready for Oak Tree .

[Honu]

Originally Posted by PSH

What are some of your favorite stallions that produce offspring that you work with? Also, it appears the Mandella barn is coming on strong with many competitive two year olds. Any that have caught your eye yet to make their first start? Lastly, what are your current favorite horses to work with?

Thanks and i enjoy your comments and perspective that you bring....

PSH

Well some of my favs are on the bench right now , so I have to get new favs lol . In our barn I usually know alot more of the broodmares babies ( been around too long ) as alot of the babies I have ridden their mothers and their daughters or sons in the past . I like alot of the Dixie Unions , I used to gallop him and he was always a class act , I like the War Chants , very sensible horses that have alot of charater and real intelligent looks about them.
Most of the Grand Slams I have been around I like , they are usually hearty horses with the ability to go short and long on the grass or the dirt.
Its hard for me to pick a favorite sire line because we get so many well bred horses thru the barn , but as you can see I can tell you the one's I dont like lol.
We do have a Mineshaft baby that I like , he has in incredible way of moving but is just a little bit immature right now but down the road I think he is going to be something .
I hate to tout horses because sometimes they dont live up to my expectations so Ill just leave it at that , we do still have some 2 yr olds for Wayne Hughes that I havent seen yet and some more for Diamond A to come in so hopefully we can keep the winning trend going with our babies.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Honu

Well some of my favs are on the bench right now , so I have to get new favs lol . In our barn I usually know alot more of the broodmares babies ( been around too long ) as alot of the babies I have ridden their mothers and their daughters or sons in the past . I like alot of the Dixie Unions , I used to gallop him and he was always a class act , I like the War Chants , very sensible horses that have alot of charater and real intelligent looks about them.
Most of the Grand Slams I have been around I like , they are usually hearty horses with the ability to go short and long on the grass or the dirt.
Its hard for me to pick a favorite sire line because we get so many well bred horses thru the barn , but as you can see I can tell you the one's I dont like lol.
We do have a Mineshaft baby that I like , he has in incredible way of moving but is just a little bit immature right now but down the road I think he is going to be something .
I hate to tout horses because sometimes they dont live up to my expectations so Ill just leave it at that , we do still have some 2 yr olds for Wayne Hughes that I havent seen yet and some more for Diamond to come in so hopefully we can keep the winning trend going with our babies.

Yeah Dixie Union! I think B. Wayne Hughes has bought every yearling I've ever liked at auction. LOL

[PSH]

Originally Posted by Honu

Well some of my favs are on the bench right now , so I have to get new favs lol . In our barn I usually know alot more of the broodmares babies ( been around too long ) as alot of the babies I have ridden their mothers and their daughters or sons in the past . I like alot of the Dixie Unions , I used to gallop him and he was always a class act , I like the War Chants , very sensible horses that have alot of charater and real intelligent looks about them.
Most of the Grand Slams I have been around I like , they are usually hearty horses with the ability to go short and long on the grass or the dirt.
Its hard for me to pick a favorite sire line because we get so many well bred horses thru the barn , but as you can see I can tell you the one's I dont like lol.
We do have a Mineshaft baby that I like , he has in incredible way of moving but is just a little bit immature right now but down the road I think he is going to be something .
I hate to tout horses because sometimes they dont live up to my expectations so Ill just leave it at that , we do still have some 2 yr olds for Wayne Hughes that I havent seen yet and some more for Diamond A to come in so hopefully we can keep the winning trend going with our babies.

Keep that winning trend going!
Paul

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Honu

Fragile horses , bad airways, bad feet , bad knees and bad attitudes. How many Storm Cats do you see run as 5 yr olds?

I remember Cornish Snow winning a stake race at age 8...he was also 2nd in the Tom Fool at age 7 to Trippi.

They bred Storm Cat to the spectacularly talented Mariah's Storm, who ran a (jointly held record for a mare) 120 Beyer Speed figure, a few years after suffering a horrifc broken leg in a KEE 2yo stake race.

The first result of that seemingly all-time mating of fragility produced a world class talent nicknamed "The Iron horse."

If a Storm Cat offspring is really any good, he or she is probably not going to be around racing as a 5-year-old because of economic reasons.

I'm not going to try and pretend that Storm Cat has done anything positive for the overall soundness and toughness of the breed---but, I can't possibly say that he is the reason horses aren't as sound and tough as they once were.

It's my gut feeling that the overuse of medications (illegal and more often legal) have had the biggest impact on why horses aren't nearly as sound as they should be.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's my gut feeling that the overuse of medications (illegal and more often legal) have had the biggest impact on why horses aren't nearly as sound as they should be.

I would think someone who has some analytical powers would see the fallicy of this weakminded, simplistic argument.