Polyhater...

[Bigsmc]

Dude must be losing his shirt and can't adjust his handicapping. The stuff is here to stay, so gamblers must adapt or lose. Survival of the fittest, quit crying and get 'capping.

[jwkniska]

if you adjust your handicapping to polytrack (cheap speed fades and dies out in the stretch) then you can make a ton of $$ from the people betting the cheap speed. I'll keep it... plays to the more astute handicapper.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

if you adjust your handicapping to polytrack (cheap speed fades and dies out in the stretch) then you can make a ton of $$ from the people betting the cheap speed. I'll keep it... plays to the more astute handicapper.

do you mean the poly favors closers, or is it just more of a fair surface, for example when there is a speed duel the closers can get up to win?

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

do you mean the poly favors closers, or is it just more of a fair surface, for example when there is a speed duel the closers can get up to win?

the polytrack, at least for AP and KEE, which have the same polytrack mix (and will be the same mix as Del Mar!!!) plays to stalkers and especially closers and has a bias toward them. Anything that goes out quick early on it will tire unless the horse is 10X better than anything else in the field.

Alot of people don't like it, because all they look at are the speed numbers and play the one with the highest rating regardless of class of horse, which will NOT work on polytrack. That also inflates the payouts, as everyone bets the cheap speed that will fade and won't bet a good closer.

It seems that the polytrack plays almost the exact opposite as the 'golden rail' that used to be at Keeneland on dirt and Aqueduct's inner dirt track, where anything that got out front early won. Poly: out front early is normally a bad thing, as the horse will tire and get passed by a good closer.

[MISTERGEE]

sounds good, what i have hated the most are the tracks where you see maybe 4 speedburners in one race you expect a suicidal duel they go 44 flat and the front runners win anyway!

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

sounds good, what i have hated the most are the tracks where you see maybe 4 speedburners in one race you expect a suicidal duel they go 44 flat and the front runners win anyway!

that's also because alot of the jocks figured out that if they take their horse out quick, they're done in the stretch, so they slow it down so that doesn't happen.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

. Poly: out front early is normally a bad thing, as the horse will tire and get passed by a good closer.

You mean like a horse like.....Dominican? Who entered today with a perfect 3 for 3 synthetic record, had beaten the KY Derby winner over the Poly, and has the correct closing style.

Polytrack plays far more to randomness than either dirt or grass.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by JJP

You mean like a horse like.....Dominican? Who entered today with a perfect 3 for 3 synthetic record, had beaten the KY Derby winner over the Poly, and has the correct closing style.

Polytrack plays far more to randomness than either dirt or grass.

horse looked like it needed a race.... been off too long, which was something I was hoping for today. He'll be better off in his next race.

[JJP]

Dominican's next race better be on the carpet because he hasn't proven anything on conventional dirt. Or grass, for that matter.