CD studying races

JJP · #1 07-13-2007, 02:18 PM

First off, I don't believe for a minute that Frankel scratches the same percentage of horses that the rest of the trainers do. Not even close. And because who he is, he gets preferential treatment.

How about Dale Romans saying on HRTV last week that he scratched a horse because he drew the rail. I hope the rail was a concrete highway that day and I hope he cost himself a win.

philcski · #2 07-13-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've asked before and I'll ask again. Does anyone know anyway to check on statistics of scratching? Do they even keep such a stat? I am just curious, especially after this discussion here.

DRF has them, but you'd have to go through stacks of old editions to collate the data

philcski · #3 07-13-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Ehhh. not that interested, but I think it would be interesting. I contend Frankel has scratched more than he has run, which is probably wrong, but I think it's closer than you think.

He has 4 entered this week, 1 Wednesday and 3 tomorrow.

He's 1 for 1 on the week scratching (Argentina as the 6/5 favorite. Nice.)

#4 07-13-2007, 02:30 PM

Gosh dernit it dont mater if boobie scraches er not. whut matturs is de winds ann de monay.

ArlJim78 · #5 07-13-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Ehhh. not that interested, but I think it would be interesting. I contend Frankel has scratched more than he has run, which is probably wrong, but I think it's closer than you think.

i never paid that much attention to it until I saw people talking about it on here, and yeah I'd have to agree, he seems to scratch a lot in places that you wouldn't expect a scratch. If this is all for the welfare of the horse, fine. However it seems odd that he would have that many high profile horses with issues that are discovered so late.

I know he is also pretty sensitive about weights in handicaps, and a few pounds can set him off.

MisterB · #6 07-13-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I know he is also pretty sensitive about weights in handicaps, and a few pounds can set him off.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

philcski · #7 07-13-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i never paid that much attention to it until I saw people talking about it on here, and yeah I'd have to agree, he seems to scratch a lot in places that you wouldn't expect a scratch. If this is all for the welfare of the horse, fine. However it seems odd that he would have that many high profile horses with issues that are discovered so late.

I know he is also pretty sensitive about weights in handicaps, and a few pounds can set him off.

Weight hardly makes a difference in racing. While it's next to impossible to quantify an exact formula, it's estimated 5 pounds = 1 length.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Frankel may scratch alot but he is a tremendous horseman who treats his horses with a great deal of care. I am not defending his insanity regarding the weights which he seems to take personally but he is not the kind of guy that would run a horse who wasn't at his best, unlike a lot of other high profile trainers out there. You can feel pretty good about betting on his horses when he actually runs them because you know they are well meant and most likely 100%.

No question about it, he's an all time great and I've loved several of his horses, which makes the scratch thing even more maddening. Nobody would care if he was scratching out with 15-1 shots but when he's 3-1, 6/5, 4-1 on the morning line with his last three it's like what are you waiting for? A walkover??

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is highly unlikely for a few reasons. One is that horses are based in many places not just at the track they are running at so you would need an army of vets to cover them all. Secondly, a vet that has experience with a horse is much more likely to be able to diagnose issues or potential issues than a vet who is seeing a horse for the first time. Third and most importantly is that most state vets are either inexperienced or simply not very good. There is a reason that they are working long hours and being subjected to a ton of grief for about 20% of what top private practice racetrack vets make.

What is the current time a horse has to be in the barn by on raceday?

The level-of-pay issue is one that would sorely need to be addressed with my hypothetical state vet idea, of course. And I agree that you can diagnose better with a horse you know (even a neophyte like me can see issues in mine/Swap's), so why not have each horse assigned to a specific vet until they change location?

Cannon Shell · #8 07-13-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

What is the current time a horse has to be in the barn by on raceday?

The level-of-pay issue is one that would sorely need to be addressed with my hypothetical state vet idea, of course. And I agree that you can diagnose better with a horse you know (even a neophyte like me can see issues in mine/Swap's), so why not have each horse assigned to a specific vet until they change location?

Usually they have to be at the track by 10am or so. But you cant ship a horse if it is legitimately sick or lame.

Your idea sounds like socialized healthcare for horses.

ArlJim78 · #9 07-13-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Weight hardly makes a difference in racing. While it's next to impossible to quantify an exact formula, it's estimated 5 pounds = 1 length.

tell that to Bobby.

philcski · #10 07-13-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

tell that to Bobby.

No kidding.
Getting assigned top weight USED to be an honor, not a reason to scratch.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Usually they have to be at the track by 10am or so. But you cant ship a horse if it is legitimately sick or lame.

Your idea sounds like socialized healthcare for horses.

LOL, maybe the idea would work in Canada?