Kip Deville to dominate the VA derby

Originally Posted by boldruler

That added 1/16th is big trouble for a horse like him. If Steppenwolfer takes to the turf he will blow by him just like Showing Up did. They are just better horses.

I beleive Steppenwolfer is a fraud...never liked this horse and never will....when La-Breds beat him an an entry-level allowance at FG earlier this year, I knew he was a fake....He is just an Impeachment special...a clunk-up horse or plodder....He could take to the grass and still easily lose this race...he won't be within 20 lengths of KD down the backstretch.....

[mp3]

the extra sixteenth means nothing. It is the way the race plays out that will determine its result. If nobody leaves with him the distance won't matter, it may actually help him because many of these horses have never been close to a mile and a quarter and there riders will restrain them even harder earlier

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by mp3

the extra sixteenth means nothing. It is the way the race plays out that will determine its result. If nobody leaves with him the distance won't matter, it may actually help him because many of these horses have never been close to a mile and a quarter and there riders will restrain them even harder earlier

It doesn't always work that way. Sometimes a horse will burn up more energy being restrained than if they were let go... Kip Deville is a good example of that. IF he would have been rated (or attempted to be rated) last time out, he would have been burnt out. I like KD. I actually remember arguing with bold over his pedigree. With that said, I don't care for him in this race. No offense...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It doesn't always work that way. Sometimes a horse will burn up more energy being restrained than if they were let go... Kip Deville is a good example of that. IF he would have been rated (or attempted to be rated) last time out, he would have been burnt out. I like KD. I actually remember arguing with bold over his pedigree. With that said, I don't care for him in this race. No offense...

You and mp3 were right about him. He is a very nice horse, but it is crucial to be able to rate on the turf. KD will never rate, it probably would ruin him. Baffert didn't try with SM and I doubt they did it with KD.

Originally Posted by mp3

the extra sixteenth means nothing. It is the way the race plays out that will determine its result. If nobody leaves with him the distance won't matter, it may actually help him because many of these horses have never been close to a mile and a quarter and there riders will restrain them even harder earlier

What? The extra 1/16th means everything with that horse. He is a speedball who eventually will run out of gas. Nobody bothered him last race and he barely made it to the wire. This race he has to go 1/16th more. Like I said, against these horses he might hang on, but I doubt you see him in the grade 1 in 4 weeks because Showing Up and Bill Mott's horse would humiliate him at 10F.

Maybe BC Mile or something like that, but 10F is a lot to ask for a horse that can't rate. Ask Sinister Minister.

[mp3]

unfair that everyone is saying he was on an unchallenged lead. The rider tapped him 4x at the start and he ran off. To grab him at that point is a mistake, he was on a clear lead because he set fractions that were more like a timer malfunction. He ran them off there feet. If the half was more like 47 he would have won

Originally Posted by mp3

unfair that everyone is saying he was on an unchallenged lead. The rider tapped him 4x at the start and he ran off. To grab him at that point is a mistake, he was on a clear lead because he set fractions that were more like a timer malfunction. He ran them off there feet. If the half was more like 47 he would have won

Uh, no. He would not have won. The better horse won, and he won easily. That horse could never beat a good horse that can rate. This is turf racing, not dirt. The good ones all have explosive turns of foot. You will never find a great turf horse that runs on the lead.

[mp3]

lure, leroidesanimeaux, roman envoy etc...

Originally Posted by mp3

lure, leroidesanimeaux, roman envoy etc...

Milers. KD might be a BC Mile horse, but this race isn't a mile.

[mnmark]

What is the website mentioned earlier for the connections of this horse? What is the name of the horse that is running in the claiming Crowm. I suspect it is the only Dutrow horse that is entered I am not looking at the entries but I believe its Sinners N Saints. They must be very confident if they are hopping on a plane to fly to Canterbury Park.

[mp3]

www. IEAH.com

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I beleive Steppenwolfer is a fraud...never liked this horse and never will....when La-Breds beat him an an entry-level allowance at FG earlier this year, I knew he was a fake....He is just an Impeachment special...a clunk-up horse or plodder....He could take to the grass and still easily lose this race...he won't be within 20 lengths of KD down the backstretch.....

I disagree, Joel... we shall see.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I disagree, Joel... we shall see.

He had a superb opportunity to prove me worng when he came in fresh and off of a great worktab at his home track of Belmont Park in the 1 1/2-mile Belmont Stakes, which frankly he should have relished - yet he still ran bad like a plodder and made me a lot of money when people bet on him.....he owed it to me because I didn't hit the TRI in the Derby because of him but had the 4th, 5th and 6th-place horses in the third spot and was disgusted when "Saint" and "Brother" got horrid trips - or they would have squashed him for the show spot.....Beleive me, I love Danny Peitz and wish him the best, but this is just a horse I don't think very highly of at all.....as a matter of fact, I helped graze the horse with Peitz's assistant two weeks before the Derby at CD and he is a cool horse..I just don't care for him as a bone fide top class race horse....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He had a superb opportunity to prove me worng when he came in fresh and off of a great worktab at his home track of Belmont Park in the 1 1/2-mile Belmont Stakes, which frankly he should have relished - yet he still ran bad like a plodder and made me a lot of money when people bet on him.....he owed it to me because I didn't hit the TRI in the Derby because of him but had the 4th, 5th and 6th-place horses in the third spot and was disgusted when "Saint" and "Brother" got horrid trips - or they would have squashed him for the show spot.....Beleive me, I love Danny Peitz and wish him the best, but this is just a horse I don't think very highly of at all.....as a matter of fact, I helped graze the horse with Peitz's assistant two weeks before the Derby at CD and he is a cool horse..I just don't care for him as a bone fide top class race horse....

I'm very interested in seeing how he runs on the turf. He's bound to get a win at some point soon and this COULD be it. I'll take my chances and play him in my tri.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I beleive Steppenwolfer is a fraud...never liked this horse and never will....when La-Breds beat him an an entry-level allowance at FG earlier this year, I knew he was a fake....He is just an Impeachment special...a clunk-up horse or plodder....He could take to the grass and still easily lose this race...he won't be within 20 lengths of KD down the backstretch.....

The right pace scenario, which he might get, makes him a player. Didn't he hit the board in the Derby? Tough to call him a fraud off that effort. I am leaning towards Go Between doing exactly what Showing Up did and running down KD.

Originally Posted by boldruler

The right pace scenario, which he might get, makes him a player. Didn't he hit the board in the Derby? Tough to call him a fraud off that effort. I am leaning towards Go Between doing exactly what Showing Up did and running down KD.

Looks like I finally got one right. Too bad I didn't get to the windows yesterday.

[Cajungator26]

I got one right this time too. Of course I didn't bet it. LOL

[sumitas]

i know it. tough to let a Mott horse go on the weeds.