Wimbledon

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Having said all of this, I think Nadal is a killer competitor. I dont think he is as talented as Federer but the kid finds ways to win. He has clearly learned how to adapt. Lets hope he does not burn out because he is still very young. This kid is a very smart player for his age, hugely talented in the head category. He really had an ideal chance to do it this tourney with the way the grass was playing. Nadal is not as talented. Serve still needs to get better. His forehand adjusted very well this time around. I think Nadal is mentally tougher than Federer, especially after the French win. I thought Federer lost his will, he did not think he could win. Nadal always believes he can win.

Ok I will admit that I dont really know much about tennis except what I hear John McEnroe say but how can you say that #1 Nadal is not as talented as Federer and #2 Nadal is mentally tougher and always believes he can win when Federer almost always does?

Nadal looks to me to be as good as athlete as any tennis player I ever saw. The guy covers more court than anyone.

[Mortimer]

Oh my God.

Now it's tennis.





Paper,Rock,Scissors must be next.

Originally Posted by mortyfeatherhands

Oh my God.

Now it's tennis.
Paper,Rock,Scissors must be next.

Morton have you realized many people on this board like sports? There is a whole "department" devoted to it. I suggested a Mortimer section but Thebs did not go for it. I like sports Morton. A bunch.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Morton have you realized many people on this board like sports? There is a whole "department" devoted to it. I suggested a Mortimer section but Thebs did not go for it. I like sports Morton. A bunch.

Oh and you are free to frolick on about them as much as you wish.


I have nnnnnnnoo problem with that at all. I do reserve my right as a devotee of the Bill of Rights ( which has a wonderful memory) to merely express my opinion.



No jump back in there or you'll miss something.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok I will admit that I dont really know much about tennis except what I hear John McEnroe say but how can you say that #1 Nadal is not as talented as Federer and #2 Nadal is mentally tougher and always believes he can win when Federer almost always does?

Nadal looks to me to be as good as athlete as any tennis player I ever saw. The guy covers more court than anyone.

Strokes my good man.

Serve: Federer
Forehand: Federer
Volleying: Federer
Backhand: Federer

I really dont think there is any stroke that Nadal hits better than Federer, its as simple as that. But he knows how to win, and yes he is a very agile on the court. And his temprament is a joy. The kid thinks he can beat anyone.

And Borg is by far the best mover I have seen. Quickest feet of all time. I have never seen a man hit so many passing shots completely off the court... He was amazing.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Strokes my good man.

Serve: Federer
Forehand: Federer
Volleying: Federer
Backhand: Federer

I really dont think there is any stroke that Nadal hits better than Federer, its as simple as that. But he knows how to win, and yes he is a very agile on the court. And his temprament is a joy. The kid thinks he can beat anyone.

And Borg is by far the best mover I have seen. Quickest feet of all time. I have never seen a man hit so many passing shots completely off the court... He was amazing.

I'm not sure he isn't the best ever, Borg was great but this guy has it all. I was glad to see Venus win, the sisters still have game...American men are several steps behind.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Strokes my good man.

Serve: Federer
Forehand: Federer
Volleying: Federer
Backhand: Federer

I really dont think there is any stroke that Nadal hits better than Federer, its as simple as that. But he knows how to win, and yes he is a very agile on the court. And his temprament is a joy. The kid thinks he can beat anyone.

And Borg is by far the best mover I have seen. Quickest feet of all time. I have never seen a man hit so many passing shots completely off the court... He was amazing.

OK, I get it.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok I will admit that I dont really know much about tennis except what I hear John McEnroe say but how can you say that #1 Nadal is not as talented as Federer and #2 Nadal is mentally tougher and always believes he can win when Federer almost always does?

Nadal looks to me to be as good as athlete as any tennis player I ever saw. The guy covers more court than anyone.

One thing that is always interesting when you get into competitive tennis is the tennis player vs athlete.....Federer is the better tennis player, but Nadal is the better athlete...I don't agree that Nadal is mentally tougher though...Federer isn't able to throw it into that gear that noone has just because he has it, he can do it cuz he is tougher than everyone else....

Originally Posted by Samarta

One thing that is always interesting when you get into competitive tennis is the tennis player vs athlete.....Federer is the better tennis player, but Nadal is the better athlete...I don't agree that Nadal is mentally tougher though...Federer isn't able to throw it into that gear that noone has just because he has it, he can do it cuz he is tougher than everyone else....

Federer folded up tent against Nadal in the French this year. I saw it. I did not like it. He went down a step with that lack of will. He can beat Nadal on clay, he just does not think he can... at Rolan Garros anyway.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Federer folded up tent against Nadal in the French this year. I saw it. I did not like it. He went down a step with that lack of will. He can beat Nadal on clay, he just does not think he can... at Rolan Garros anyway.

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Who brought Nadal's clay winning streak to a close Scuds?
Federer can beat him on any surface because he is a better player.
But Nadal has the mental toughness edge, my take.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Who brought Nadal's clay winning streak to a close Scuds?
Federer can beat him on any surface because he is a better player.
But Nadal has the mental toughness edge, my take.

Federer beat him in Hamburg....yes it's clay, but it's as close to hard courts without being on one as you'll ever find....just because it says clay doesn't mean it's Roland Garros. Can he beat him on clay? sure...Is Nadal in his head? absolutely.....will he ever win the French......I say he's got one maybe two more legit shots....

Originally Posted by Samarta

Federer beat him in Hamburg....yes it's clay, but it's as close to hard courts without being on one as you'll ever find....just because it says clay doesn't mean it's Roland Garros. Can he beat him on clay? sure...Is Nadal in his head? absolutely.....will he ever win the French......I say he's got one maybe two more legit shots....

Agree in totality.

Nadal is definitely a great clay court player but I wouldn't call him the best just yet...just like I won't say Federer is the best grass player.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

[ArlJim78]

to me Nadal is the best I've ever seen on clay, and Roger is the best grass player for sure and also best overall player I have ever seen.

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.