4th of July Beyers - Page 2

ArlJim78 · #21 07-05-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nah, I'm telling you, it's a cyclical thing. Every April, everyone's convinced that it's a terrible crop of three-year-olds and then, a few months later, no one's on that train anymore.

yes that's true but all i'm saying is that this year I think the cycle was particularly down early. more than usual. I mean it looked bleak.

then at the end of this year it could have yet another complexion, with perhaps new stars that are having there praises sung.

all i can say for this year is thank god for the three year olds.

philcski · #22 07-05-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nah, I'm telling you, it's a cyclical thing. Every April, everyone's convinced that it's a terrible crop of three-year-olds and then, a few months later, no one's on that train anymore.

2005 and last year was pretty bad. Let's be honest here, in 2005, FLOWER ALLEY was much the best 3YO the second half of the season... that ain't sayin' much. Last year, outside of Bernardini and maybe Bluegrass Cat, you had a bunch of plugs that really were G3 types masquerading in G1's.

This group is CLEARLY better than the last two.

ARyan · #23 07-05-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

2005 and last year was pretty bad. Let's be honest here, in 2005, FLOWER ALLEY was much the best 3YO the second half of the season... that ain't sayin' much. Last year, outside of Bernardini and maybe Bluegrass Cat, you had a bunch of plugs that really were G3 types masquerading in G1's.

This group is CLEARLY better than the last two.

Are you throwing Barbaro into that group of Plugs? I think he was much more then a G3 type...I am just thinking you overlooked him...

Danzig · #24 07-05-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

2005 and last year was pretty bad. Let's be honest here, in 2005, FLOWER ALLEY was much the best 3YO the second half of the season... that ain't sayin' much. Last year, outside of Bernardini and maybe Bluegrass Cat, you had a bunch of plugs that really were G3 types masquerading in G1's.

This group is CLEARLY better than the last two.

i disagree. in the weeks leading up to the derby, last years crop and the potential field was spoken of as one of the deepest in years. nothing happened in the months after to make me change my mind. it took invasor to keep a three year old from winning the classic.

philcski · #25 07-05-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i disagree. in the weeks leading up to the derby, last years crop and the potential field was spoken of as one of the deepest in years. nothing happened in the months after to make me change my mind. it took invasor to keep a three year old from winning the classic.

Yes, Bernardini was definitely a quality animal but who was behind him? Nothing.

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Originally Posted by ARyan

Are you throwing Barbaro into that group of Plugs? I think he was much more then a G3 type...I am just thinking you overlooked him...

No, of course not. I'm speaking from the midpoint of the 3YO season (the Dwyer) on.

ateamstupid · #26 07-05-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i disagree. in the weeks leading up to the derby, last years crop and the potential field was spoken of as one of the deepest in years. nothing happened in the months after to make me change my mind. it took invasor to keep a three year old from winning the classic.

I don't remember that. But then again, I wasn't here last year.

Danzig · #27 07-05-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't remember that. But then again, I wasn't here last year.

no, not here specifically. writers, trainers, etc.

Left Bank · #28 07-05-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This crop of 3 year olds has proven to be very strong and if any of them stick around next year they will dominate the older crap division.

The older "Crap"division.

ateamstupid · #29 07-05-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

no, not here specifically. writers, trainers, etc.

I'm talking about the message board rabble.

horseofcourse · #30 07-05-2007, 03:16 PM

AGS still has yet to win beyond 8.5f or am I mistaken here?? He's proven he can alternate wins with Nobiz which Scat Daddy did as well. He ran a nice one turn race on a fast Belmont track. I'm far from sold on him. He's a good horse.

Cannon Shell · #31 07-05-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

The older "Crap"division.

Can you think of a better name? (that wont get the ***** treatment?)

Riot · #32 07-05-2007, 06:00 PM

Don't forget we recently came off three bad years of Mare Reproductive Loss Syndrome, biggest impact was the foal crop of 2001. Anybody know where to look up numbers for foals born in the last seven years?

Norfolk · #33 07-05-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Got a Beyer for Funny Cide?

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Travis Stone · #34 07-05-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Nobiz is nothing but a plodding, no heart plug. I'm sick of all his excuses, it's always something, the only consistency this horse has shown is he is consistently slow, and he needs the stars alligned just right to run a decent race. I'm done with him.

I think you are spot-on here. This horse wasn't good enough to handle Scat Daddy (we know how good he is), and each and every start comes with an excuse. This time it's the fact he was off the pace. I think he's exposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be wrong with my money each and every time.

ArlJim78 · #35 07-05-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think you are spot-on here. This horse wasn't good enough to handle Scat Daddy (we know how good he is), and each and every start comes with an excuse. This time it's the fact he was off the pace. I think he's exposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be wrong with my money each and every time.

yeah, he exposes the same performance in every race. He's a big onepaced horse who is going to run a mid nineties beyer every time. As the rest of the crop develops and moves forward he is being left behind.