Corinthian or Bernardini

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Breeding has ZERO effect on who the public likes and doesnt.

Yes it does. Horses are taken off the track too early to breed.

And the notion that racing fans are just gambling addicts and gambling addicts input all the money from the fan interest end is not true.

New owners and new fans. How to attract them.
Again I sense a very skeptical view that racing cannot change. Racing used to be huge in comparison with other sports. NASCAR has captured a huge fan base. The sport is stuck in the muck without some new ideas. The fractured nature of the sport with all its different entities all worried about their own territory... the willingness of bloodstock agents to work with trainers and breeders to rip off owners... the list goes on.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes it does. Horses are taken off the track too early to breed.

And the notion that racing fans are just gambling addicts and gambling addicts input all the money from the fan interest end is not true.

New owners and new fans. How to attract them.
Again I sense a very skeptical view that racing cannot change. Racing used to be huge in comparison with other sports. NASCAR has captured a huge fan base. The sport is stuck in the muck without some new ideas. The fractured nature of the sport with all its different entities all worried about their own territory... the willingness of bloodstock agents to work with trainers and breeders to rip off owners... the list goes on.

Patrick its a gambling drive game, get that through your head. WHo cares if he have 10 million new fans who don't gamble on it? What ****ing good will it do the game? You sit there and rail on and on about attracting the type of fans who will bring little Sally and little Sally to the track with a picnic basket, thats all fine and well but if they dont bet who cares? The industry is driven by gambling, and yeah we need new fans, the kind who bet. Other wise what good are they for the industry?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Patrick its a gambling drive game, get that through your head. WHo cares if he have 10 million new fans who don't gamble on it? What ****ing good will it do the game? You sit there and rail on and on about attracting the type of fans who will bring little Sally and little Sally to the track with a picnic basket, thats all fine and well but if they dont bet who cares? The industry is driven by gambling, and yeah we need new fans, the kind who bet. Other wise what good are they for the industry?

Exactly--it is more important to bring the right fans to the game instead of attracting the wrong fans.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Patrick its a gambling drive game, get that through your head. WHo cares if he have 10 million new fans who don't gamble on it? What ****ing good will it do the game? You sit there and rail on and on about attracting the type of fans who will bring little Sally and little Sally to the track with a picnic basket, thats all fine and well but if they dont bet who cares? The industry is driven by gambling, and yeah we need new fans, the kind who bet. Other wise what good are they for the industry?

I agree...but......



Let's not discourage little Sally from coming to Siro's after the races.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Patrick its a gambling drive game, get that through your head. WHo cares if he have 10 million new fans who don't gamble on it? What ****ing good will it do the game? You sit there and rail on and on about attracting the type of fans who will bring little Sally and little Sally to the track with a picnic basket, thats all fine and well but if they dont bet who cares? The industry is driven by gambling, and yeah we need new fans, the kind who bet. Other wise what good are they for the industry?

New fans WILL GAMBLE. You are mired in the muck also. No creativity, no new ideas to attract fans. You have to market to successfully sell a product. The industry makes incredibly futile attempts to do this. Mike you are satisfied with the status quo. I am not. I was drawn to this game before you because of the athleticism of the animals. I dont think you have any idea how many people my age where captured by racing because of Secretariat. We were shown a great athlete. And now we go to the track to see other athletes, and at the same time are drawn to the beautiful complexities of gambling. This is what you dont get. You have to step outside what all your people mired in the game tell you. They like the status quo.

Are you telling me we cannot draw more fans that will gamble to the game? If so you are giving up and should not be on any committees trying to show the beautiful part of the sport. And that is very simply running. The rest will come along. This is what I believe. Maybe you have been around naysayers too long.

Originally Posted by pgardn

New fans WILL GAMBLE. You are mired in the muck also. No creativity, no new ideas to attract fans. You have to market to successfully sell a product. The industry makes incredibly futile attempts to do this. Mike you are satisfied with the status quo. I am not. I was drawn to this game before you because of the athleticism of the animals. I dont think you have any idea how many people my age where captured by racing because of Secretariat. We were shown a great athlete. And now we go to the track to see other athletes, and at the same time are drawn to the beautiful complexities of gambling. This is what you dont get. You have to step outside what all your people mired in the game tell you. They like the status quo.

Are you telling me we cannot draw more fans that will gamble to the game? If so you are giving up and should not be on any committees trying to show the beautiful part of the sport. And that is very simply running. The rest will come along. This is what I believe. Maybe you have been around naysayers too long.

Naysayers? Quite the opposite. But I do believe that todays tracks are very hard to draw people to. Keeneland, Saratoga, and Del mar flourish with on track attendance while the rest suffer. Those three have beautiful grounds and a more relaxed atmosphere. The concrete dungeons elsewhere, well its hard to draw people to those places.
People love to bet football, its easy, and you can watch it on tv. You don't have to go to the stadium or a football simulcast place. The more houses that have horse racing tv channels on their systems, the better off we are.