Paging Mr. Gore......

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Danzig, creationism isn't a science; it's a religious belief. I wouldn't use that as a comparison. Evolution is a Theory, yes, but it's a Theory on the level of gravity, which is also a Theory.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...warming05.html

Referring to Dr. Gray; he's also very dismissive of advances in meteorological research, specifically using computer-generated models, because it's dried up his research grants. Again, not to say he doesn't have an agenda... And remember, he's a hurricane specialist; not a climate specialist.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ray_revis.html

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<<August 09, 2006

In recent years, Colorado State University's Bill Gray has become one of the most visible critics of climate scientists who warn about the consequences of increased greenhouse gas emissions, and a warming world.

Look no further than a recently published, enlightening article in the Washington Post on climate change critics. It presents, on the whole, a somewhat sympathetic view of Gray.

As a science writer, I have respect for Gray's work in predicting hurricane season activity, and he is certainly one of the world's most famous hurricane scientists. But, golly, he sure doesn't like the view that humans might be inducing climate change. I wrote about his vitriol here, and it also came up in an interview I did with Jeff Masters. Gray's views on climate science have not been well received by practicing scientists.

The point Jeff made is that Gray has lost favor with the scientific community not because of his science, but because he is making strong statements without backing them up with evidence. This view has been confirmed by Texas A&M's Andrew Dessler, a climate scientist who recently spoke to Gray at a scientific meeting:

After arguing with him for a few minutes, it became clear that Bill Gray has no scientific theory of his own *why* the water vapor feedback is negative, and no data to support his non-theory. He has no manuscript describing his non-theory and no plans to attempt to publish it.

After I pointed out all of the evidence supporting a positive feedback, he looked confused and finally said, "OK, maybe the feedback isn't negative, maybe it's neutral. I'll give you that." I quickly concluded that he has no idea what he's talking about. I wish everyone that considers him credible could have witnessed this exchange.

I might also add that Gray made two appearances at this year's hurricane conference at the National Hurricane Conference that were handled, and probably sponsored, by Tech Central Station. This is an important detail because the Web site's funding has been linked to Exxon, among others, in this article and by other sources.

I'd also like to add that this post in no way should be construed as an attack on Gray's annual hurricane predictions, nor his able colleague Phil Klotzbach, who now does a majority of the forecasting work.>>

That's the same National Hurricane Conference that you cite in your earlier posts, isn't it, Danzig?

Next post: the 17,000 scientists:

Genuine Risk,
Though "evolution" is called a theory, developmental biology isn't.
Someone said that science must be observable and replicable. No arguement with that.
Early studies involving "primordial soup" (and I'll need to find the research to give the link) showed that basic protien chains (previral) could be created in a lab.
If you're interested, here's a book that might get you started. Note Dawkin's take on it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seven-Clues-...dp/0521398282/

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Are you saying that virus is non-living?

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Here's something (off the topic of "global warming" and Gore, but interesting)
It's about the creation of a new living organism from a previously existing one, synthetic life. Genome replacement. This is just the beginning.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0628232413.htm

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Are you saying that virus is non-living?

Here's an early experiment by Dr Miller (1953) that has been followed.
Amino acids can become protiens, no? Protiens can become genetic structures, no? Genetic structure can become viruses, no? Viruses are not alive???
http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/S...dial_soup.html

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That was 1953.
Read the previous link.