Corinthian or Bernardini

Gander · #1 07-10-2006, 05:53 PM

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

#2 07-10-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

A guy connected to Barbaro told me Bernardini might be even better than him on the dirt. They still think Barbaro was the most talented horse on turf they have ever seen.

#3 07-10-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

A guy connected to Barbaro told me Bernardini might be even better than him on the dirt. They still think Barbaro was the most talented horse on turf they have ever seen.

I have to tell you that I agree with just about every word of this statement....nice post!!! Barbaro was breath-taking on grass and I really thought that the sky was the limit on that surface, yet while I appreciated his Derby win, I am one who believes that Bernardini would have still beaten him in the Preakness and probably was a better dirt horse.....that opinion won't be taken well on this chatboard but I really do...Nice post!

Betsy · #4 07-10-2006, 06:57 PM

I hate the argument that Bernardini beat a weak field......huh? SNS is a very nice horse, a genuine graded stakes horse and Brother Derek is very accomplished. If they were over the top or tired going into the Preakness, then their trainers shouldn't have run them, given that they had no chance for the Triple Crown. Since both trainers had no interest in seeing their colts hurt, I assume that they were both in good shape for the Preakness. No excuse. Remember that Bernardini had had zero starts around two turns, limited racing experience period and was an unknown classwise. He won the Preakness on sheer talent alone.

I've never seen Barbaro's turf races but I was shocked at his stride in the Derby -that horse had a turf stride if any horse ever has. Too bad that he and Bernardini never got to hook up; they might have been really good for racing.

#5 07-10-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

I was shocked at his stride in the Derby -that horse had a turf stride if any horse ever has. Too bad that he and Bernardini never got to hook up; they might have been really good for racing.

Another statement that I agree with every single word....Good Post!

zippyneedsawin · #6 07-10-2006, 07:34 PM

Until Corinthian comes back and accomplishes more on the track, it's Bernardini..

Betsy · #7 07-10-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Another statement that I agree with every single word....Good Post!

Thanks, Joel. I'm completely biased towards Bernardini, so maybe this needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but........I think he could be a big shot in the arm for racing. So far, we've seen a lot of the down side of racing : Barbaro's breakdown, injuries left and right...things that make you wonder why you follow the horses in the first place (it's so frustrating). Racing deserves to have a horse like Bernardini stay healthy and do great things; it's about time, isn't it, that we stop talking about a horse's potential and start talking about his performance? Potential is not a word I like to hear in sports- it implies that the talent within the athlete goes unfulfilled. That's depressing. One good thing about Bernardini is that the Sheikh's are pretty sporting - if healthy, I see them running him as a 4 year old. That might be something to see.

#8 07-10-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Thanks, Joel. I'm completely biased towards Bernardini, so maybe this needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but........I think he could be a big shot in the arm for racing. So far, we've seen a lot of the down side of racing : Barbaro's breakdown, injuries left and right...things that make you wonder why you follow the horses in the first place (it's so frustrating). Racing deserves to have a horse like Bernardini stay healthy and do great things; it's about time, isn't it, that we stop talking about a horse's potential and start talking about his performance? Potential is not a word I like to hear in sports- it implies that the talent within the athlete goes unfulfilled. That's depressing. One good thing about Bernardini is that the Sheikh's are pretty sporting - if healthy, I see them running him as a 4 year old. That might be something to see.

Barbaro has been great for racing. The amount of support he has gotten is beyond anything any horse has ever gotten, from racing fans and non-racing fans. He is better for racing than Bernardini could ever be. Bernardini's owners don't even show up for his races.

#9 07-10-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I have to tell you that I agree with just about every word of this statement....nice post!!! Barbaro was breath-taking on grass and I really thought that the sky was the limit on that surface, yet while I appreciated his Derby win, I am one who believes that Bernardini would have still beaten him in the Preakness and probably was a better dirt horse.....that opinion won't be taken well on this chatboard but I really do...Nice post!

I asked him after the Preakness if he thought Barbaro would have won if he wasn't hurt and he said maybe but Bernardini was likely just as good as Barbaro on the dirt. He thought Barbaro would be the better of the two at the Belmont distance but that Bernardini was going to be an all-time great. They said they knew about Bernardini all along so it wasn't really a surprise. Barbaro still won the big one though and let's just hope he makes it back to the farm.

ateamstupid · #10 07-11-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex, and unlike the two of them, he might actually stick around to race at four.

Gander · #11 07-11-2006, 09:02 AM

Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex, and unlike the two of them, he might actually stick around to race at four.

I disagree very much, especially in regards to Bernardini being better than Smarty, who was cost a triple crown by dirty riding antics, which we've already been through.

Not yet at this point in his career can you say he is better than Smarty. Hes raced what 4 times? And I am all for horses sticking around until they get old, so I hope to see Bernardini race until he is 6 or 7. I wish Smarty had stuck around and the Belmont did not come up smelling like rotten eggs. He was awesome.

ateamstupid · #12 07-11-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex, and unlike the two of them, he might actually stick around to race at four.

I disagree very much, especially in regards to Bernardini being better than Smarty, who was cost a triple crown by dirty riding antics, which we've already been through.

Not yet at this point in his career can you say he is better than Smarty. Hes raced what 4 times? And I am all for horses sticking around until they get old, so I hope to see Bernardini race until he is 6 or 7. I wish Smarty had stuck around and the Belmont did not come up smelling like rotten eggs. He was awesome.

I loved Smarty, and that Belmont annoys me to this day as I'm sure it annoys you.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel that Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex. I don't care how many times he's run. I think he's better.

Gander · #13 07-11-2006, 09:14 AM

Cool. I hope he sticks around so we can see it. I like his trainer.

Whats his next race?

ateamstupid · #14 07-11-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Cool. I hope he sticks around so we can see it. I like his trainer.

Whats his next race?

The Jim Dandy. I'm an Albertrani fan as well.

JJP · #15 07-11-2006, 10:01 AM

3YOs who are better than Corinthian

Barbaro, Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Sweetnorthernsaint, Point Determined, AP Warrior, Minister's Bid, Jazil, Steppenwolfer, Lawyer Ron, Brother Derek, the horse that won the Lexington, the German horse who was beaten a nose in the Arlington Classic, High Cotton, Showing Up. I'll stop at 15 but I'm sure we could find more. Shows how silly a Bernardini vs Corinthian debate is.

#16 07-11-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I loved Smarty, and that Belmont annoys me to this day as I'm sure it annoys you.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel that Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex. I don't care how many times he's run. I think he's better.

I agree with this statement....Smarty was good against a subpar group of 3yos, but I think Bernardini has a chace to be special...too early to tell though...we'll see..