Corinthian or Bernardini

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

BERNARDINI...emphatically....not much debate here IMO

Corinthian barely beat a horrible bunch of 3YOs this winter at GP, while Bernardini has trashed all comers, including drawing off to an overwhelming and fast win in the Preakness in just his 4th lifetime start.....nuff said

I wouldn't call Jazil, First Sam, and a few others terrible. Jazil was beaten pretty badly by him. Barbaro and Showing Up also came from GP this winter although he never raced them. Corinthian just isn't proven like Bernardini. I do agree though that Bernardini is a special horse. Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time.

[Gander]

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

Originally Posted by Gander

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

A guy connected to Barbaro told me Bernardini might be even better than him on the dirt. They still think Barbaro was the most talented horse on turf they have ever seen.

Originally Posted by boldruler

A guy connected to Barbaro told me Bernardini might be even better than him on the dirt. They still think Barbaro was the most talented horse on turf they have ever seen.

I have to tell you that I agree with just about every word of this statement....nice post!!! Barbaro was breath-taking on grass and I really thought that the sky was the limit on that surface, yet while I appreciated his Derby win, I am one who believes that Bernardini would have still beaten him in the Preakness and probably was a better dirt horse.....that opinion won't be taken well on this chatboard but I really do...Nice post!

[Betsy]

I hate the argument that Bernardini beat a weak field......huh? SNS is a very nice horse, a genuine graded stakes horse and Brother Derek is very accomplished. If they were over the top or tired going into the Preakness, then their trainers shouldn't have run them, given that they had no chance for the Triple Crown. Since both trainers had no interest in seeing their colts hurt, I assume that they were both in good shape for the Preakness. No excuse. Remember that Bernardini had had zero starts around two turns, limited racing experience period and was an unknown classwise. He won the Preakness on sheer talent alone.

I've never seen Barbaro's turf races but I was shocked at his stride in the Derby -that horse had a turf stride if any horse ever has. Too bad that he and Bernardini never got to hook up; they might have been really good for racing.

Originally Posted by Betsy

I was shocked at his stride in the Derby -that horse had a turf stride if any horse ever has. Too bad that he and Bernardini never got to hook up; they might have been really good for racing.

Another statement that I agree with every single word....Good Post!

[zippyneedsawin]

Until Corinthian comes back and accomplishes more on the track, it's Bernardini..

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Another statement that I agree with every single word....Good Post!

Thanks, Joel. I'm completely biased towards Bernardini, so maybe this needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but........I think he could be a big shot in the arm for racing. So far, we've seen a lot of the down side of racing : Barbaro's breakdown, injuries left and right...things that make you wonder why you follow the horses in the first place (it's so frustrating). Racing deserves to have a horse like Bernardini stay healthy and do great things; it's about time, isn't it, that we stop talking about a horse's potential and start talking about his performance? Potential is not a word I like to hear in sports- it implies that the talent within the athlete goes unfulfilled. That's depressing. One good thing about Bernardini is that the Sheikh's are pretty sporting - if healthy, I see them running him as a 4 year old. That might be something to see.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I have to tell you that I agree with just about every word of this statement....nice post!!! Barbaro was breath-taking on grass and I really thought that the sky was the limit on that surface, yet while I appreciated his Derby win, I am one who believes that Bernardini would have still beaten him in the Preakness and probably was a better dirt horse.....that opinion won't be taken well on this chatboard but I really do...Nice post!

I asked him after the Preakness if he thought Barbaro would have won if he wasn't hurt and he said maybe but Bernardini was likely just as good as Barbaro on the dirt. He thought Barbaro would be the better of the two at the Belmont distance but that Bernardini was going to be an all-time great. They said they knew about Bernardini all along so it wasn't really a surprise. Barbaro still won the big one though and let's just hope he makes it back to the farm.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

"Barbaro and Bernardini might be two of the top 3yr olds in a long time."

You really think Bernardini is as good as Smarty or Alex for that matter? I mean one big win in a race marred by a tragic breakdown and the next logical contender nearly tripping over him losing any chance he may have had?

Wont argue with you about Barbaro. To me he did enough.

Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex, and unlike the two of them, he might actually stick around to race at four.

[Gander]

Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex, and unlike the two of them, he might actually stick around to race at four.

I disagree very much, especially in regards to Bernardini being better than Smarty, who was cost a triple crown by dirty riding antics, which we've already been through.

Not yet at this point in his career can you say he is better than Smarty. Hes raced what 4 times? And I am all for horses sticking around until they get old, so I hope to see Bernardini race until he is 6 or 7. I wish Smarty had stuck around and the Belmont did not come up smelling like rotten eggs. He was awesome.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex, and unlike the two of them, he might actually stick around to race at four.

I disagree very much, especially in regards to Bernardini being better than Smarty, who was cost a triple crown by dirty riding antics, which we've already been through.

Not yet at this point in his career can you say he is better than Smarty. Hes raced what 4 times? And I am all for horses sticking around until they get old, so I hope to see Bernardini race until he is 6 or 7. I wish Smarty had stuck around and the Belmont did not come up smelling like rotten eggs. He was awesome.

I loved Smarty, and that Belmont annoys me to this day as I'm sure it annoys you.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel that Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex. I don't care how many times he's run. I think he's better.

[Gander]

Cool. I hope he sticks around so we can see it. I like his trainer.

Whats his next race?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

Cool. I hope he sticks around so we can see it. I like his trainer.

Whats his next race?

The Jim Dandy. I'm an Albertrani fan as well.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I loved Smarty, and that Belmont annoys me to this day as I'm sure it annoys you.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel that Bernardini is better than Smarty or Alex. I don't care how many times he's run. I think he's better.

I agree with this statement....Smarty was good against a subpar group of 3yos, but I think Bernardini has a chace to be special...too early to tell though...we'll see..

Bernardini also came up through GP this winter....Jazil clearly has improved and probably was up against it closing into that often present GP surface, while First Samurai still must prove that he is a graded stakes performer around two turns, which is VERY arguable at this point....I'm actualy one who believes he can route but hje has to prove that he can...his FOY was not a good effort IMO....Flashy Bull is the epitome if mediocre and Rehoboth and horses like that aren't much either....Oh, and Sunriver showed that he was definately a bit overrated...Corinthian really beat nothing that gave him a challenge in that race IMO...

He is also a freakin' headcase and is a Pulpit - which means that he is probably fragile as all get out.....can't say that makes for me to be a huge fan of this horse, and to mention his name in the same sentence with Bernardini right now is actually discreditting to Bernardini IMO...

Personally, I think Bernardini is about 10 lengths superior to Corinthian...Hey, its just my opinion, but I am very surpirsed that this is even a debate at this point that has garnered multiple posts....

Bernardini's talent level versus Discreet Cat's talent level may be the better argument at this point IMO...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Bernardini also came up through GP this winter....Jazil clearly has improved and probably was up against it closing into that often present GP surface, while First Samurai still must prove that he is a graded stakes performer around two turns, which is VERY arguable at this point....I'm actualy one who believes he can route but hje has to prove that he can...his FOY was not a good effort IMO....Flashy Bull is the epitome if mediocre and Rehoboth and horses like that aren't much either....Oh, and Sunriver showed that he was definately a bit overrated...Corinthian really beat nothing that gave him a challenge in that race IMO...

He is also a freakin' headcase and is a Pulpit - which means that he is probably fragile as all get out.....can't say that makes for me to be a huge fan of this horse, and to mention his name in the same sentence with Bernardini right now is actually discreditting to Bernardini IMO...

Personally, I think Bernardini is about 10 lengths superior to Corinthian...Hey, its just my opinion, but I am very surpirsed that this is even a debate at this point that has garnered multiple posts....

Bernardini's talent level versus Discreet Cat's talent level may be the better argument at this point IMO...

You have to be kidding. Discreet Cat better than Corinthian. Please explain this to me.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You have to be kidding. Discreet Cat better than Corinthian. Please explain this to me.

What is there to explain?..Check the pps and you'll see that its not even really close at this point....Discreet Cat was easily the most impressive maiden winner last summer at the Spa, running 1:09 and change and destroying his rivals first out and earning a VERY fasy speed fig. for that time of the year for a firster....Then, he came backand absolutely jogged in both of his Dubai starts, which included CRUSHING top older handicap horse Invasor and the previously undefeated Champion Simpatico Bribon and all other comers with absolute ease and is undefeated and unchallenged to this point....What more do you want?

Corinthian has been average to good at this point in his career at best....They are both fragile animals that probably won't have long, friutful careers, but I think there is ZERO doubt that Discreet Cat must be considered heads and shoulders better than Corinthian until proven otherwise...just my opinion but I've gotta believe that most would agree...

[JJP]

The FOY was a negative key race and Bernardini blew away a solid Preakness field w/a huge figure. Not even remotely close between the two.