Who owns California?

ArlJim78 · #1 06-30-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

You know better than that, there were at least two quality horses (beside Lava Man) in the race....this was pure guts, giving 9 pounds and the horse had an easy lead off 1:13+ fraction...of course he's gonna be tough in the stretch. I sure didn't see anything impressive in the Suburban today!

totally disagree, very soft pace set up things well for Lava Man, and gave APX a shot. Any type of honest pace and its another story.

not saying Lava man doesn't have guts, he does. but I sorta look at it like he is the best of a so-so bunch out there.

who were the quality horses in that field?

as bad as the Suburban field was I think it had better quality. no claimers. with a wimpy pace like that fairbanks would have wired that field. 2:00.5 final time in the Suburban versus 2:03 and change in the Gold cup. hmmm.

and people are always totally stumped why Lava Man doesn't win when he travels. it's not that complicated.

timmgirvan · #2 06-30-2007, 07:41 PM

9 lbs is a TON to give in a race!

2Hot4TV · #3 06-30-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

totally disagree, very soft pace set up things well for Lava Man, and gave APX a shot. Any type of honest pace and its another story.

not saying Lava man doesn't have guts, he does. but I sorta look at it like he is the best of a so-so bunch out there.

who were the quality horses in that field?

as bad as the Suburban field was I think it had better quality. no claimers. with a wimpy pace like that fairbanks would have wired that field. 2:00.5 final time in the Suburban versus 2:03 and change in the Gold cup. hmmm.

and people are always totally stumped why Lava Man doesn't win when he travels. it's not that complicated.

If Fairbanks could of wired the Gold Cup he would of stayed to do just that. There is a reason horses dont ship to take the easy money in California. Lava Man is one of them.

somerfrost · #4 06-30-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

totally disagree, very soft pace set up things well for Lava Man, and gave APX a shot. Any type of honest pace and its another story.

not saying Lava man doesn't have guts, he does. but I sorta look at it like he is the best of a so-so bunch out there.

who were the quality horses in that field?

as bad as the Suburban field was I think it had better quality. no claimers. with a wimpy pace like that fairbanks would have wired that field. 2:00.5 final time in the Suburban versus 2:03 and change in the Gold cup. hmmm.

and people are always totally stumped why Lava Man doesn't win when he travels. it's not that complicated.

You actually using times on artificial surface vs dirt?? Surely you know better than that also!

Danzig · #5 06-30-2007, 09:46 PM

welcome to the hotel california....

apparently lava man is an eagles fan, as he feels he can check out any time he likes, but he can never leave (and win). enjoy what you have, don't cry about what you don't. think positive, not dwell on the negative. enjoy this horse for what he does (and boy does he DO IT) rather than worrying about what he doesn't. is your glass half-full or half-empty?

congratulations to lava man et al, for tying the record set by a grand gelding, native diver! enjoy, enjoy, and hope and pray that they cut more often!! hell with the intact horses, who run a dozen or less times and then go off to make more single-digit runners that stick around long enough to pique your interest, but not long enough to slake it!

letswastemoney · #6 06-30-2007, 10:12 PM

can he do it 4 times in a row?

ArlJim78 · #7 06-30-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

You actually using times on artificial surface vs dirt?? Surely you know better than that also!

it not about the surface, you said its so strange that he doesn't win when he ships, i'm just saying I don't think its strange at all. whenever they ship him they run him in much tougher races. i would think that would be obvious to you!

robfla · #8 06-30-2007, 10:47 PM

while it may be true about facing horses that are better when he ships, it is misleading to bring up times of the two races ran today.

SCUDSBROTHER · #9 06-30-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it not about the surface, you said its so strange that he doesn't win when he ships, i'm just saying I don't think its strange at all. whenever they ship him they run him in much tougher races. i would think that would be obvious to you!

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

somerfrost · #10 07-01-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

Bailey was saying that Monmouth might indeed be more to his liking but I agree...he can wait for the BC to come to him. Still, since it doesn't appear to be the surface that gets him, you'd think some creative thinking might be in order...maybe van him in segments or go very early so he can acclimate...I don't know, something might work.

#11 07-01-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Bailey was saying that Monmouth might indeed be more to his liking but I agree...he can wait for the BC to come to him. Still, since it doesn't appear to be the surface that gets him, you'd think some creative thinking might be in order...maybe van him in segments or go very early so he can acclimate...I don't know, something might work.

A replica of his stall? They've certainly got the cash to do it.

somerfrost · #12 07-01-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

A replica of his stall? They've certainly got the cash to do it.

Frankly, I'd try anything...one grade one win outside Cal and this horse would finally get the respect he deserves!

Sightseek · #13 07-01-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Bailey was saying that Monmouth might indeed be more to his liking but I agree...he can wait for the BC to come to him. Still, since it doesn't appear to be the surface that gets him, you'd think some creative thinking might be in order...maybe van him in segments or go very early so he can acclimate...I don't know, something might work.

They shipped him to Keeneland 3 weeks early for the Breeder's Cup and this was allegedly what he really needed - guess not.

ArlJim78 · #14 07-01-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

ArlJim78 · #15 07-01-2007, 07:13 AM

I guess if I'm Mike Mitchell I would now be pointing Big Booster to the Breeders Cup Classic. Sun Boat too for that matter. These are some of the top handicap horses in SoCal.

Danzig · #16 07-01-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

exactly, so why is it such a bone of contention on lava mans end?? so many want HIM to ship, while seeing no need whatsoever for the 'other side' to do the same.

think back everyone to the last time the bc was held in cali. refresh my memory how the 'east coasters' did that day.

gamblin4ever · #17 07-01-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly, so why is it such a bone of contention on lava mans end?? so many want HIM to ship, while seeing no need whatsoever for the 'other side' to do the same.

think back everyone to the last time the bc was held in cali. refresh my memory how the 'east coasters' did that day.

exactly, why ship for same money against tougher if you dont need to. Stay home, keep racking up wins and money. He cant be used @ stud, good for racing only.

Left Bank · #18 07-01-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

And why ship all the way to suckcal,oops,SOCAL when all you gotta do is jump in a van and go up and down the east coast.

Norfolk · #19 07-01-2007, 01:55 PM

Saturday's Beyers
Lava Man 105
Political Force 105

10 pnt move up · #20 07-01-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

And why ship all the way to suckcal,oops,SOCAL when all you gotta do is jump in a van and go up and down the east coast.

your a troll, and are making completely hypocritical arguments, you knock the horse for not shipping and winning and then saying its irrelevant for east coast horses because its good money and races on the east coast. I hate to break it to you but they ran for 750k yesterday.

Are you this dense, please tell me you are just a troll?