Pity for the Impotent Dick

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So why don't you do more besides throw insults, Cannon? Back up your insults with a counterargument. I'm all ears. Or eyes, in this case.

In fact, Cannon, here's my first backup, from Rolling Stone. I await your well-informed, logical response.

<<According to Terry Tamminen, former director of the California EPA, the true costs of our oil dependence run as high as $807 billion a year ? or $2,700 for every U.S. citizen. If all the hidden costs that Americans currently pay for oil were reflected in the price at the pump, gasoline would cost more than $13 a gallon. In short, taxpayers and consumers are essentially giving the oil industry a subsidy of $10 for every gallon of gas sold in America. If we simply eliminated those subsidies and created a truly free market, renewable sources of energy would beat oil ? as well as nuclear power and coal, which receive equally grotesque subsidies. It is only through these giant subsidies that gasoline has a prayer of competing with alternative sources such as biofuels and wind, which produce energy far more cleanly and efficiently, at far less cost.>>

B, you might find the article interesting; it's by Robert Kennedy, Jr., arguing that the private market offers our best chance at developing alternative energy sources, not go'vt.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...eal_solution/1

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

In fact, Cannon, here's my first backup, from Rolling Stone. I await your well-informed, logical response.

<<According to Terry Tamminen, former director of the California EPA, the true costs of our oil dependence run as high as $807 billion a year ? or $2,700 for every U.S. citizen. If all the hidden costs that Americans currently pay for oil were reflected in the price at the pump, gasoline would cost more than $13 a gallon. In short, taxpayers and consumers are essentially giving the oil industry a subsidy of $10 for every gallon of gas sold in America. If we simply eliminated those subsidies and created a truly free market, renewable sources of energy would beat oil ? as well as nuclear power and coal, which receive equally grotesque subsidies. It is only through these giant subsidies that gasoline has a prayer of competing with alternative sources such as biofuels and wind, which produce energy far more cleanly and efficiently, at far less cost.>>



http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...eal_solution/1

This is fiction.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is fiction.

Again, I look forward to you actually posting any material to backup your opinion.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Again, I look forward to you actually posting any material to backup your opinion.

His numbers are fiction therefore the rest of his assumptions are based upon fiction which makes his whole point pointless.

[timmgirvan]

Robert Kennedy Jr.....that's the brainiac who blames Reagan for 9/11!

Gasoline first then Cheney.

Oil. Its everywhere. Its easy to get out of the ground, easy to process, easy to transport. And most importantly Cheap compared to any other form of energy other than nuclear (this would be for the generation of electricity of course).
And there is a very clear reason. The infrastructure for oil into gasoline and other petroleum products is in place and has been for some time. We are very, very good at turning oil into all sorts of things and getting it to market. We will have problems with OPEC, we will have refinery problems, we will have pollution problems, etc... But when all is said and done, it is cheap form of energy. Incredibly cheap compared to wind, solar, you name it except nuclear. And we cant put nuclear energy in cars (although we may try in the future long after I am dead).
I am happy people keep an eye on big oil, etc... but gasoline is mainly expensive because we tax the bejesus out of it. We will eventually change to other forms of energy as soon as technology makes it possible to produce other forms of energy cheaply. Then we might have a wind or a solar infrastructure some day. If people want change, then pray for oil prices to skyrocket making alternative forms competitive.

Cheney. Is probably one of the most powerful VP's of all time. And he has, in hindsight, made a mess of things in Iraq. And now he appears to want to make the office of VP as immune to review as possible by claiming it is not a part of the executive branch (he is the unelected head of the Senate by his reasoning). What he really wants is to increase the latitude of the executive branch. Very curious way of accomplishing this task.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Gasoline first then Cheney.

Oil. Its everywhere. Its easy to get out of the ground, easy to process, easy to transport. And most importantly Cheap compared to any other form of energy other than nuclear (this would be for the generation of electricity of course).
And there is a very clear reason. The infrastructure for oil into gasoline and other petroleum products is in place and has been for some time. We are very, very good at turning oil into all sorts of things and getting it to market. We will have problems with OPEC, we will have refinery problems, we will have pollution problems, etc... But when all is said and done, it is cheap form of energy. Incredibly cheap compared to wind, solar, you name it except nuclear. And we cant put nuclear energy in cars (although we may try in the future long after I am dead).
I am happy people keep an eye on big oil, etc... but gasoline is mainly expensive because we tax the bejesus out of it. We will eventually change to other forms of energy as soon as technology makes it possible to produce other forms of energy cheaply. Then we might have a wind or a solar infrastructure some day. If people want change, then pray for oil prices to skyrocket making alternative forms competitive.

Cheney. Is probably one of the most powerful VP's of all time. And he has, in hindsight, made a mess of things in Iraq. And now he appears to want to make the office of VP as immune to review as possible by claiming it is not a part of the executive branch (he is the unelected head of the Senate by his reasoning). What he really wants is to increase the latitude of the executive branch. Very curious way of accomplishing this task.

i don't think many realize just how huge an industry our oil and gas is, as well as what was pointed out below, our auto industry alone--what to do with it all...

another reason why gas remains high--oil companies are shying away from building any more refineries, from adding to their capacity, since they aren't so sure the profits would be there in future to pay those tremendous expenses now, with so many pushing towards alternative fuels.
this country turned towards relying on others' fuel for our needs, that way our environment wasn't impacted by drilling and refining, and it was cheap. it's our own fault that oil and gas are where they are, as right now we seem to be floundering around in circles aimlessly trying to figure out what to do about our energy.
there is nothing wrong with relying on oil and subsequently gasoline. not as tho oil will stop being produces, exactly where would all our plastics come from? if we decide to continue using those products, than we need to encourage the oil industry to expand HERE, as it should have all along( remember the adage don't put all your eggs in one basket?), rather than coming to rely so much on foreign supply.