Biggio "3000"!!!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Biggio will likely get to 300 HRs this season, too. One of the better 2B in this era (played most of his games at 2B).

Yes, I forgot that stat too!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It's sad that this guy is taking away attention from a real deserving Hall of Famer (Frank Thomas.)There are a lot of really nice team players,and most aren't going in the Hall(Scioscia for instance.)You need to be able to reserve the Hall for the top talent(not just somebody who has a long and decent career.)Here are the main reasons why a very average player with typical stats (for anybody who has had a very long career would have)is getting into the Hall......

1)a good caucasian boy
2)good citizen
3)looks more like joe the plumber than a modern day athlete
4)been with same team for almost 20 years
5) a true team player

Every reason given tonite (for his being worthy of going into the Hall ) is time-based.This is no superstar.This is simply a good team player that ground out a long career,and played long enough to get a lot of hits.If ya get a decent amount of hits each year.then what do you expect will happen? I'll tell you what will happen.You do it for about 19 years,and you'll get 3000 hits.Simple math.See,this is a unique situation.His batting average has been slipping.Most would have retired,or more likely....he would have lost his job to a better younger player.This is a very conservative city,and they don't like change.That's why they ain't doing a damn thing to win.They would rather have an old player get 3000 hits than go young with some young hitters.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's sad that this guy is taking away attention from a real deserving Hall of Famer (Frank Thomas.)There are a lot of really nice team players,and most aren't going in the Hall(Scioscia for instance.)You need to be able to reserve the Hall for the top talent(not just somebody who has a long and decent career.)Here are the main reasons why a very average player with typical stats (for anybody who has had a very long career would have)is getting into the Hall......

1)a good caucasian boy
2)good citizen
3)looks more like joe the plumber than a modern day athlete
4)been with same team for almost 20 years
5) a true team player

Every reason given tonite (for his being worthy of going into the Hall ) is time-based.This is no superstar.This is simply a good team player that ground out a long career,and played long enough to get a lot of hits.If ya get a decent amount of hits each year.then what do you expect will happen? I'll tell you what will happen.You do it for about 19 years,and you'll get 3000 hits.Simple math.See,this is a unique situation.His batting average has been slipping.Most would have retired,or more likely....he would have lost his job to a better younger player.This is a very conservative city,and they don't like change.That's why they ain't doing a damn thing to win.They would rather have an old player get 3000 hits than go young with some young hitters.

This is the type of player MLB needs, if factor EVERY sport.
Most of the athletes today could care less about loyalty, being a team player, stay out of trouble and not looking like a "bulked up cartoon" character and most of all and I'll quote you; "1)a good caucasian boy". Frankly, I'm sick of all the "very young" athletes getting everything handed to them fresh out of high school or one year of college! If it keeps up this way, all those little greddy bastards will be old and washed up by the time thier 30! And who will them watch or care???

[Buffymommy]

Congrats to both guys! Nice accomplishment for both of them!

[Cannon Shell]

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

[Storm Cadet]

Damn Cannon I am IMPRESSED!!!

After reading your posts recently on NBA draft, MLB, NFL I am calling ESPN. You gotta go heads up against Howie Schwab (The Swabbie)...you'd kick his ass!!! You up for it?

I know this guy personally as he was one of our student press SID's while he attended college. Gave him plenty of scoops...not ice cream in case you looked at his waistline. We've kept in touch for years...here's a photo of him last year running onto our court for opening night madness as announcer!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

Damn Cannon I am IMPRESSED!!!

After reading your posts recently on NBA draft, MLB, NFL I am calling ESPN. You gotta go heads up against Howie Schwab (The Swabbie)...you'd kick his ass!!! You up for it?

I know this guy personally as he was one of our student press SID's while he attended college. Gave him plenty of scoops...not ice cream in case you looked at his waistline. We've kept in touch for years...here's a photo of him last year running onto our court for opening night madness as announcer!

I miss Stump the Schwab

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

Yea,I sure do need more.If he wasn't chalk white,there is no way you people are putting this guy in.These are almost all time-based accomplishments.He has more "this and that" than others cuz he played a long time. Now I say you need to put more deserving talented players in(not some guy who is just a good clean conservative who played for Houston forever.)


http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/...Locator=garvey

There are atleast 7 years where this guy hit over .300,and 6 out of 7 years he had over 200 hits.BIGGIO ISN'T GUNNA EVER DO THAT,AND IT'S BECAUSE HE IS NOT AS GOOD.I actually have nothing against Biggio as a person,but I don't think he should go in if this guy ain't going in first.PERIOD.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_...987&statType=1

Go right ahead and let your b.s. flow,but this guy is not as good a player as Garvey was.It's a pathetic popularity contest.He is gunna die with a ring.Biggio isn't ever gunna get one(and he had his chance,and didn't get it done.)So stick that where it don't shine.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yea,I sure do need more.If he wasn't chalk white,there is no way you people are putting this guy in.These are almost all time-based accomplishments.He has more "this and that" than others cuz he played a long time. Now I say you need to put more deserving talented players in(not some guy who is just a good clean conservative who played for Houston forever.)


http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/...Locator=garvey

There are atleast 7 years where this guy hit over .300,and 6 out of 7 years he had over 200 hits.BIGGIO ISN'T GUNNA EVER DO THAT,AND IT'S BECAUSE HE IS NOT AS GOOD.I actually have nothing against Biggio as a person,but I don't think he should go in if this guy ain't going in first.PERIOD.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_...987&statType=1

Go right ahead and let your b.s. flow,but this guy is not as good a player as Garvey was.It's a pathetic popularity contest.He is gunna die with a ring.Biggio isn't ever gunna get one(and he had his chance,and didn't get it done.)So stick that where it don't shine.

Garvey again? What is the obsession with Garvey? Buckner was a better player and noone is calling for him to make the Hall.

The funny thing about your argument (?)/rant is that Biggio played one more year than Garvey yet has scored 700 more runs! hit 200 more doubles, 15 MORE HR's!!!, has 600 more walks, 300+ more stolen bases, has a 30 point advantage in OBP! Want more...Biggio is the alltime NL leader with leadoff HR's with 50, 2nd all time to Rickey, he is 25th on the alltime list of extrabase hits, is on his way to his 14th season with 30 or more doubles which is a alltime record...

Biggio is so much more deserving than Garvey it is a joke. He will be getting a plaque, Garvey will need to buy a ticket to get in

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

Thank you, Chuck ...enough said!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

YOU LEFT OUT THE fact that Biggio has a 700 lead in number of times he has struck out(1700 versus 1000 for Garvey.)Just remember that in your head when you keep saying he is sooooo much better than Garvey.You're pushin' a whiffer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

Did you happen to miss this post? Do you think I made these numbers up? Or should we say that most of these guys should come out of the Hall because a white guy who people liked had as good a numbers as they did? Or should we throw out Ruth, Cobb and all the other players who played in an era where there were no black or hispanic players? Try to look at the attributes the guy has without bias. Look at his numbers stacked up against the standard for a hall of fame second baseman. He absolutely meets the standard.

[Cannon Shell]

By the way writers would have liked Garvey a lot more as a canidate if he had played at the highest level for about 4 more years instead of fading into an ordinary player. A first baseman who hits 280 Hr's with a .290 batting average has no shot to get into the Hall. Compare him to other Hall of Fame first baseman and tell me how in the world you think he fits?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you happen to miss this post? Do you think I made these numbers up? Or should we say that most of these guys should come out of the Hall because a white guy who people liked had as good a numbers as they did? Or should we throw out Ruth, Cobb and all the other players who played in an era where there were no black or hispanic players? Try to look at the attributes the guy has without bias. Look at his numbers stacked up against the standard for a hall of fame second baseman. He absolutely meets the standard.

I answered this post previously.He has been allowed to hang around even though he can't produce well anymore.Then you want to use the quantities of things(over the qualities of things.)Fact is that he has been allowed to keep playing(and get certain benchmark quantities) because he is a loyal white guy on a very white team.

[dylbert]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

1)a good caucasian boy oh, he isn't black!
2)good citizen he isn't in jail
3)looks more like joe the plumber than a modern day athlete instead of gangsta?
4)been with same team for almost 20 years loyalty anyone?
5) a true team player nah, he isn't changing his name to "KOBE"!

See bold above... for things Craig Biggio ain't!