need "imo" feedback as owner

jerseybred · #1 06-27-2007, 10:28 AM

i don't know if we can run him against the nw2 with a tag ... that's why i joined this derby forum ... but i've learned more this morning from everyone's input - so thanks. (where else can a weanling become a yearling in half a day?) but i have spoken to my partner as a result, and told them what i thought should be done with log jam, and the claimer option has been agreed to -- may even show up at saratoga which would be a sweet excuse to get up there other than weekends.

NoLuvForPletch · #2 06-27-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jerseybred

i don't know if we can run him against the nw2 with a tag ... that's why i joined this derby forum ... but i've learned more this morning from everyone's input - so thanks. (where else can a weanling become a yearling in half a day?) but i have spoken to my partner as a result, and told them what i thought should be done with log jam, and the claimer option has been agreed to -- may even show up at saratoga which would be a sweet excuse to get up there other than weekends.

There is a race on July 6 at BEL, a State Bred NW2X/NW3L/OCLM30,000 that he can run in. It is basically the condition he just cleared except this time he is entered for a tag. It's race 9 in the condition book. Link below.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...0706-20070706D

jerseybred · #3 06-27-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

There is a race on July 6 at BEL, a State Bred NW2X/NW3L/OCLM30,000 that he can run in. It is basically the condition he just cleared except this time he is entered for a tag. It's race 9 in the condition book. Link below.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...0706-20070706D

now that info is getting me to call gary right now.... THANKS.

Linny · #4 06-27-2007, 10:51 AM

He can run in the NW2x/Opt FOR THE TAG. Just be aware that that condition, especially with the tag is more competitive now than it was in March. Allowing horses in for $30k means that some tough old $25-35k types may show up. Horses like Seeking the Glory or his ilk run in them alot. It can be tough to get your 4th win against horses with 8, 10 or 12 wins. Some of those old mid-level claimers are very good horses.

NoLuvForPletch · #5 06-27-2007, 10:58 AM

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He can run in the NW2x/Opt FOR THE TAG. Just be aware that that condition, especially with the tag is more competitive now than it was in March. Allowing horses in for $30k means that some tough old $25-35k types may show up. Horses like Seeking the Glory or his ilk run in them alot. It can be tough to get your 4th win against horses with 8, 10 or 12 wins. Some of those old mid-level claimers are very good horses.

I understand your point Linny, but Seeking the Glory specifically is running in sprints, as most of those "salty types" tend to do. Seems as though Log Jam is at his best going long, which is what that July 6th race is slated for.

Linny · #6 06-27-2007, 11:03 AM

STG is a sprinter but serves as an example of they class of horse that may show up. Agreed though that most of the real hard knocking types are sprinters.
I have a friend w/ a nice grass horse elig for NW2 (NYB) and when he goes in the opt claiming he struggles w some of the old classy $35k types that show up.

NoLuvForPletch · #7 06-27-2007, 11:09 AM

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STG is a sprinter but serves as an example of they class of horse that may show up. Agreed though that most of the real hard knocking types are sprinters.
I have a friend w/ a nice grass horse elig for NW2 (NYB) and when he goes in the opt claiming he struggles w some of the old classy $35k types that show up.

That's a bad spot. Older Turf horses can be real tough, and because it's turf, they like to go long. Finding a dirt horse that can go long over a period of time is tough to do which is why those longer distance dirt races don't fill as often. I think Log Jam could find himself in a good spot if he runs back there.

jerseybred · #8 06-27-2007, 11:05 AM

stupid unrelated question .... why is sam houston showing up under my jersey bred name on these posts?

Linny · #9 06-27-2007, 11:21 AM

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stupid unrelated question .... why is sam houston showing up under my jersey bred name on these posts?

As you move up in # of posts past yearling you get different tracks. Mine is Ellis Park. It should say "older mare, going long..."

Rupert Pupkin · #10 06-27-2007, 11:50 PM

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now that info is getting me to call gary right now.... THANKS.

Are you sure you want to sell the horse for $32,000? I assume you guys bought him for $87,000 at the Ocala April Two Year Old Sale. He's already earned $112,000. I assume you realize that running him for a $32,000 tag means that you are offering him for sale for $32,000.

I realize that your options are somewhat limited, but I still don't know if it would be a good idea to lose him for $32,000 right now. I would imagine the reason Gary wants to run at FL is because he doesn't want to let the horse go for $32,000 at this point. If you want to run him for $32,000 eventually, you might as well get some more money out of him in easy spots at FL first.

blackthroatedwind · #11 06-27-2007, 11:58 PM

That horse is not worth $32K......not really even close.

What does what was paid for him as a 2YO matter? He has now established his value and pretty much run out of conditions.

Rupert Pupkin · #12 06-28-2007, 12:07 AM

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That horse is not worth $32K......not really even close.

What does what was paid for him as a 2YO matter? He has now established his value and pretty much run out of conditions.

You say that he's not worth $32,000. Don't they have state-bred claiming races? He could run right back in the race that he just won. He'd have to run for a tag to be eligible, but he'd have a decent shot to win. He probably couldn't compete in an open $32k claiming race, but in a state bred he would probably be fine.

blackthroatedwind · #13 06-28-2007, 12:11 AM

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You say that he's not worth $32,000. Don't they have state-bred claiming races? He could run right back in the race that he just won. He'd have to run for a tag to be eligible, but he'd have a decent shot to win. He probably couldn't compete in an open $32k claiming race, but in a state bred he would probably be fine.

Are you familiar with this horse's pps?

jerseybred · #14 06-27-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Are you sure you want to sell the horse for $32,000? I assume you guys bought him for $87,000 at the Ocala April Two Year Old Sale. He's already earned $112,000. I assume you realize that running him for a $32,000 tag means that you are offering him for sale for $32,000.

I realize that your options are somewhat limited, but I still don't know if it would be a good idea to lose him for $32,000 right now. I would imagine the reason Gary wants to run at FL is because he doesn't want to let the horse go for $32,000 at this point. If you want to run him for $32,000 eventually, you might as well get some more money out of him in easy spots at FL first.

i know ... but i also want to see log jam pay his way moving forward since i'm operating on such a small scale and breaking even is the only business option i've got.... so i question who will find value in him if we can't even place him? not to mention i don't even have full control since this is a partnership with a partner with a LOT of horses. they can afford the losses but for me it's cold cash.