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[Linny]

Originally Posted by MisterB

How do you figure that out? Most of the NY horses go south for the winter. I think spring through fall is a good meet, then ship to Kentucky, then to Florida. You have crap cards in NY most of the time, and AQU sucks all winter.

The state breds own the AQ Inner meet. It's when the locals have the chance to make a living. Even at AQU in January, NYB maidens are running for around $40k. Race a Jersey bred and you have from May to November to make a living against NJ breds. The rest of the year you run at PHA or AQU or Penn but you wont get to run in statebred restricted races.

It's those "sucky" cards that allow some of the smaller operations to make it through Belmont, regroup during Saratoga and then gear up through the Belmont fall for another winter at AQU. The smaller barns wait until the big guns leave town that they plan to have horses eligible for conditions in Dec/Jan/Feb that they would have no hope in during June/July/Aug.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Linny

The state breds own the AQ Inner meet. It's when the locals have the chance to make a living. Even at AQU in January, NYB maidens are running for around $40k. Race a Jersey bred and you have from May to November to make a living against NJ breds. The rest of the year you run at PHA or AQU or Penn but you wont get to run in statebred restricted races.

It's those "sucky" cards that allow some of the smaller operations to make it through Belmont, regroup during Saratoga and then gear up through the Belmont fall for another winter at AQU. The smaller barns wait until the big guns leave town that they plan to have horses eligible for conditions in Dec/Jan/Feb that they would have no hope in during June/July/Aug.

Yea I know all that, Gary and Anthony's time to get fed. What will they do when the welfare truck leaves town when the GOV sells the joint. NJ breds do well at the fair grounds, and also in Kentucky. Most NY breds will never make it out of their conditions, and never run in open company, so they will attemtp to make more NY bred races for the loosers. Make sense I guess.

[The Bid]

btw

Hes won 3 times, last race was June 11th. Really the horse should blow that 4l condition that they write at finger lakes, then be put in for 25 to run. Nobody is going to claim a horse with no conditions whos already topped out as a mid level claimer.

Jersey, you can make pleanty of money with him knocking around for 25 and hes really a tough take for a quarter after he blows that 4L allowance condition they write at Finger

[jerseybred]

well if they're bred right nj breds hit florida too.... especially after the barn conditions at the meadowlands. if they're not worth the florida trip then they're not worth owning imo. (although now & then we switch trainers and send them to the minors).

[blackthroatedwind]

Thanks, I forgot about the dead heat in early March.

There are no NW3X restricted to NY Breds at NYRA, and he really isn't fast enough to compete in open NW races at NYRA where he gets the restricted exemption. Therefore, his opportunities in NY are minimal and the condition at Finger Lakes is probably his best option. The truth is, with a lot of these NY breds, while it's great if they can be competitive in the conditional allowance races, once they blow their condition their value is usually not very high.

I would imagine that Contessa has a great handle on all this and is trying to find the best spot for him. You've done more than OK with him over the past six months.

[jerseybred]

yes... gary's done good, and he turned that horse around. fortunately he had trained prime timber horses before and knew where he belonged.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Usually his Prime Timbers go straight to the "nut collector"

I see Log Jam is a pair light as well...

[NoLuvForPletch]

aren't they writing those nys bred races now with an optional claimer? you could run him back against the nw2 with a tag, right?

[jerseybred]

i don't know if we can run him against the nw2 with a tag ... that's why i joined this derby forum ... but i've learned more this morning from everyone's input - so thanks. (where else can a weanling become a yearling in half a day?) but i have spoken to my partner as a result, and told them what i thought should be done with log jam, and the claimer option has been agreed to -- may even show up at saratoga which would be a sweet excuse to get up there other than weekends.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by jerseybred

i don't know if we can run him against the nw2 with a tag ... that's why i joined this derby forum ... but i've learned more this morning from everyone's input - so thanks. (where else can a weanling become a yearling in half a day?) but i have spoken to my partner as a result, and told them what i thought should be done with log jam, and the claimer option has been agreed to -- may even show up at saratoga which would be a sweet excuse to get up there other than weekends.

There is a race on July 6 at BEL, a State Bred NW2X/NW3L/OCLM30,000 that he can run in. It is basically the condition he just cleared except this time he is entered for a tag. It's race 9 in the condition book. Link below.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...0706-20070706D

[jerseybred]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

There is a race on July 6 at BEL, a State Bred NW2X/NW3L/OCLM30,000 that he can run in. It is basically the condition he just cleared except this time he is entered for a tag. It's race 9 in the condition book. Link below.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...0706-20070706D

now that info is getting me to call gary right now.... THANKS.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thanks, I forgot about the dead heat in early March.

There are no NW3X restricted to NY Breds at NYRA, and he really isn't fast enough to compete in open NW races at NYRA where he gets the restricted exemption. Therefore, his opportunities in NY are minimal and the condition at Finger Lakes is probably his best option. The truth is, with a lot of these NY breds, while it's great if they can be competitive in the conditional allowance races, once they blow their condition their value is usually not very high.

I would imagine that Contessa has a great handle on all this and is trying to find the best spot for him. You've done more than OK with him over the past six months.

Well... almost none. They wrote two last year at Belmont spring... Chestertown Slew won one of them (Met Mile day). Don't recall seeing any since.

[jerseybred]

thank you all ... i got what i needed. to be honest i thought this is incredible ... and then i read a few of the other threads and noticed the names and though but how credible? ... you gotta luv it. thanks again ... you are 'imo' - my secret weapon.

[Pedigree Ann]

I have a friend who bred a NY-bred who earned a nice sum among state-breds until he finally broke his maiden. Then he couldn't compete vs n1xs and went to Philly to earn his keep in claimers; no more breeders' award checks for Tracy.

[Linny]

I pulled your PP's for Friday. Allow me to be blunt.

After clearing the NW2 in early Mar. you were beaten 9 by Again and Again (now hurt) and Wing Man. Both are pretty good horses who themselves might have a hard time w/NW1 horses at this tme of year. I assume that Log Jam had no real excuse. he "ran his race" but wasn't good enough. If he couldn't be cometitive with NW1 horses in March, he wont be in July when things are tougher.
After taking April off you returned in the Kingston H on grass. Log Jam has not shown any real love for turf and horses like Dave and Golden Commander and Papa Da are pretty much established commodities. Any way you look at things, that race was tough.

If you go to NJ you have to run in the (rare) NW3x and THAT is also very tough. Check out the Beyer pars for that level at Monmouth. Instead you head to F'lakes where you meet the (once very promising) Rises the Phoenix. That one wins by 8 while you run a reasonably good second with a BSF in the high 70's. Assuming that with a 4l advantage over the 3rd horse that Log Jam "could" have gone a bit faster but didn't need to, he could have earned an 80. An 80 is not going to win a NW3x at Monmouth or a NW1x at Belmont.

The racing is far more competitive in the summer months and horses that flourish in allowance conditions in January may find the "same level" a bit deep in July. It looks like the idea is to run him where he fits. The purses are smaller but once the winter rolls around you may find yourself back in NY running for more $$$.