If you called the shots on Rags to Riches.......

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

for that matter, why would she retire immediately if she lost the ccao?? not like her value will be affected, no stud fee, and they sure aren't gonna sell.

I didn't mean it as a business decision. If she lost the CCA Oaks it would probably mean there was something wrong with her, which wouldn't be shocking given the history of the barn she runs out of.

[NTamm1215]

There is absolutely no comparison between Rags to Riches and either Boca Grande or Christmas Kid when it comes to distance. Rags has made it clear she can go a long way (and she can do it quickly) the latter two want no part of anything over a mile, maybe a mile and an eighth for Boca Grande.

NT

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There is absolutely no comparison between Rags to Riches and either Boca Grande or Christmas Kid when it comes to distance. Rags has made it clear she can go a long way (and she can do it quickly) the latter two want no part of anything over a mile, maybe a mile and an eighth for Boca Grande.

NT

Certainly I don't think those two fillies are in the same league as Rags To Riches, but they are stakes quality fillies and were RTR to falter in the race, I would guess one of those two would be the beneficiary.

As far as getting 10f, I was basing it mostly on pedigree. Christmas Kid, like RTR, is by a Belmont winner and has a bottom side filled with stakes winners at 9f or more albeit mostly on turf. Boca Grande, also by AP Indy, is closely related to Sky Beauty and Maplejinsky on the bottom, each a winner of the Alabama with the former also taking the CCA Oaks.

Either way, I don't see how you can say neither wants anything beyond a mile. Both are Grade 2 winners at 9f.

[NTamm1215]

Boca Grande won a terrible version of the Demoiselle and I am aware it was a Grade II. Christmas Kid won the Tropical Park Oaks on turf, but that wasn't a grade II. The Davona Dale was at a mile and she won that. The Ashland was 8.5fs and she was steps away from being passed and then most of all she got drowned in the Acorn at a mile. She's a nice filly...at a mile or less in my opinion.

Boca Grande has clearly been a shell of what most thought she'd be after the Demoiselle at the end of the year. To be honest with you I don't think she's a top tier 3YO filly and that will be seen as the year progresses.

I understand your argument was based on pedigree...I just don't see in actuality those two outrunning Rags at 10fs unless she just runs terribly.

NT

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Boca Grande won a terrible version of the Demoiselle and I am aware it was a Grade II. Christmas Kid won the Tropical Park Oaks on turf, but that wasn't a grade II. The Davona Dale was at a mile and she won that. The Ashland was 8.5fs and she was steps away from being passed and then most of all she got drowned in the Acorn at a mile. She's a nice filly...at a mile or less in my opinion. I understand your argument was based on pedigree...I just don't see in actuality those two outrunning Rags at 10fs unless she just runs terribly.

NT

Fair enough. I agree RTR would have to take several steps backwards to get beat. And I was mistaken about Christmas Kid, I thought she won the Bonnie Miss at 9f, but she was 2nd, and in fact lost the lead to a horse she had passed at the top of the stretch.