Scat Daddy retired

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

bingo, that is the heart of the matter. any further racing would likely diminish his status and since his status is now obviously inflated, why take the risk of racing.

OOOOOOOOOO

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Agreed 100%. Why don't people think the connections may know this as well? Sure, maybe they are high on the horse, think he's still getting better, moving forward, etc. -- or maybe not.

In the "maximize value" world -- which is the world this industry is in today -- in a case like this it is often the default decision to retire the horse. Get used to it. Unless there is a drastic shift, it will be more and more common.

Eric

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

exactly.

I was hoping to bet against this one this year which is my dissapointment in the news. Most of these are a bet-against at anything approaching a classic distance.

Maybe they think they are going to fool someone with his resume over his actual pedigree?
Hes not bad to breed with a solid mare if you want to compete in some ungraded stakes up to a mile and a sixteenth. Maybe breed with a turf mare and with good training, get a decent turf/poly miler for ungraded stakes level races. Thats about it.

His injury when they tried to push him to 9 furlongs and then 10 furlongs along with his need to train in bar shoes , should make him a real bargain.

[Riot]

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Well, I'll miss him. I loved this horse.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Personally, I hit the PK4 when he won the Champagne and I bet him heavily when he won the FOY. Thanks to my buddy Joel Cunningham, who touted him before he made his 1st start. Joel stated that he could drag the starting gate and still win. I remember Oracle 80 stating that another horse had a chance. Well, Scat Daddy won for fun in the slop and had a very nice career. I cashed over $3K in tickets, so I personally sad to see him retired. Go Scat Daddy Go.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bogey

Personally, I hit the PK4 when he won the Champagne and I bet him heavily when he won the FOY. Thanks to my buddy Joel Cunningham, who touted him before he made his 1st start. Joel stated that he could drag the starting gate and still win. I remember Oracle 80 stating that another horse had a chance. Well, Scat Daddy won for fun in the slop and had a very nice career. I cashed over $3K in tickets, so I personally sad to see him retired. Go Scat Daddy Go.

Well said Bogey...

Joel emailed me today to let me know... I really liked this colt a lot too. So maybe he wasn't a speedball or a real flashy winner, but he was very gutsy and tried hard. He was good enough for me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by abe1947

So, you think an owner should run their horse until it breaks completely down? The horse is theirs to make money with. Would you continue running a horse that you could make millions on in the shed, just so the public could see him run. As soon as he lost a couple races his value and public appeal would drop, and those of you who what to see him run now would never bet on him again.

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

Take it easy on him.


He's a 2 year old.

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

[ArlJim78]

First Invasor, now Scat Daddy.

How many more of our heores will we see taken out of action?

Originally Posted by abe1947

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

If you're in this sport to make money you might as well pay a guy to kick you in the balls on a daily basis.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by abe1947

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

O 1/2

OOOOOOOOOO

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

Chuck, I see your point, however, the downside with more than one loss is far greater than the upside of a win (which should almost be expected depending on the spot). Much of what will sell a horse like this at stud is the "hype" or the "what could have been" kind of thing.

Yes, it is sad -- very sad. I agree. However, he loses a couple of races, the reality of the situation is no longer hidden -- as it might be now to some people. Don't forget -- it's not you and me sending mares to this stud.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, I see your point, however, the downside with more than one loss is far greater than the upside of a win (which should almost be expected depending on the spot). Much of what will sell a horse like this at stud is the "hype" or the "what could have been" kind of thing.

Yes, it is sad -- very sad. I agree. However, he loses a couple of races, the reality of the situation is no longer hidden -- as it might be now to some people. Don't forget -- it's not you and me sending mares to this stud.

Eric

Eric
I disagree that his value is predicated on "hype" or "buzz". He won Grade 1 2 year old stakes and a Grade 1 Derby prep. He is by a "hot" stallion. His value is secure regardless of how many races he lost. He will probably stand for somewhere between $30-$40k. If he were to win the Travers and/or Haskell or a race like that, he would have been worth a lot more. Personally I never thought he was great but he did accomplish more than most stallions that will enter stud next year.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

Here's the thing I don't understand. If EVERYbody [you, me, the girl selling popcorn] knows he's kind of a phony, why don't those paying these exorbitant stud fees know it too? If he loses a couple more big time races, so what? But if he ends up winning them [not that he would anyways], it can only enhance his value.

Besides, at this point in the year they CAN wait the 90 days and see what happens. Breeding season is over you schmucks!!!!!

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by abe1947

So, you think an owner should run their horse until it breaks completely down? The horse is theirs to make money with. Would you continue running a horse that you could make millions on in the shed, just so the public could see him run. As soon as he lost a couple races his value and public appeal would drop, and those of you who what to see him run now would never bet on him again.

MILLIONS? Please tell me why this horse is going to be successful at stud? Why do we need another mediocre stallion out there? This business is becoming a farce. With all of the stallions they have over there at Ashford who is going to show up at their door and say I want to breed my mare to the slow one who beat nobody? His resume is he beat a head case, NOBIZ, and CHELOKEE, who in my opinion had a pretty good shot of winning the race (FLA Derby) with a better trip. I'd rather breed to THE GREEN MONKEY than SCAT DADDY. This is pathetic!

[sumitas]

just what racing needs, another Mr Prospector , Northern Dancer cross at stud. he was pushed hard and soon and i wish him the best in his 2nd career.

Thoroughbred Horse Pedigree Database


SCAT DADDY (USA) dkb/br. C, 2004 DP = 10-3-11-2-0 (26) DI = 2.47 CD = 0.81 - 9 Starts, 5 Wins, 1 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $1,334,300

Owner: James T. Scatuorchio & Michael Tabor
Breeder: Axel Wend
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 9 Starts: 5 - 1 - 1, $1,334,300

At 2:
Won Champagne S. (G1,8F), Sanford S.(G2,6F)
2nd Hopeful S. (G1,7F)

At 3:
Won Florida Derby (G1,9F), Fountain of Youth S. (G2,9F)
3rd Holy Bull S. (G3,8F)

Looks like a good one to breed to, to me. If you want speed and a early return on your money. I'd say it'll take $20K to get into the shed with this one.