When Bonds breaks the record

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes he was. And he is taking the bulk of the criticism because he is about to break a sacred record held by a man that is held in very high respect. And he may have lied in front of a federal grand jury. Thats not done yet.

What do you think Pillow. What kind of reception away from SF? Especially in Atlanta or Milw. (now home of kids attacking cars cause it summertime, the police just love it when the kids are out of school.)

Will there be enough fans at the game in Atlanta to boo loud enough so Barry can hear it?

Milwaukee..eh don't know much about their crowd.

I really don't care about the record to tell you the truth. The record that is tops in my book for hitters is rbi's. And Barry's not getting that one.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Will there be enough fans at the game in Atlanta to boo loud enough so Barry can hear it?

Milwaukee..eh don't know much about their crowd.

I really don't care about the record to tell you the truth. The record that is tops in my book for hitters is rbi's. And Barry's not getting that one.

he will get booed here in milwaukee also, but i expect the fans who know anything about his career will not.

[ninetoone]

If the record happens on the road, a real fan throws that shiat back on the field

[SentToStud]

Bonds has gone up two full shoe sizes since he was 30.

He's a shoe-in for the HoF.

[ELA]

Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

[Storm Cadet]

Isn't it amazing that Barry Bonds is the one player who truly lives up to this sports company name and is not one of their items for sale?

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by ELA

Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

well i'll tell you this, there is only so much that is going to be done -us fans likeing it or not. i think youve seen just about all your going to see. i believe he does have to show up and acknowledge this most important event , and record.until we prove otherwise we let history sort it out. it was a era that was bad for baseball but part of baseball's history. as a fan if you keep holding on to it, it will ruin the game for you. must accept the fact we have new guidelines and we must impose them. if you get caught you get the boot from now on- whats done is done. we had the era of spitballs,and later after years of being banned i'm sure some would question gaylord perry etc. i feel just as bad that hank aaron's record will go down. and will always incoperate this into my thinking. he will still be the all time hr leader to me.i couldn't agree more with the old timers being upset, i would be also.i think by showing up doesnt mean its kosher, but unless you can prove it it won't help by turning a blind eye to his accomplishments either. like i said its going in the books as barry bonds all time hr leader - like it or not. whats done is done and no matter what happens thier will always be questions. time and history are the only things that will sort this out. don't let it ruin the game for you.we start anew. thats how i'm going to deal with it. i love this game and am not going to let this record and its outcome make me sit at a game and be suspicious of everone and question everything and get so cynical that i start to hate it. we will always have baseball-it may not be the most popular sport but its the most important.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

well i'll tell you this, there is only so much that is going to be done -us fans likeing it or not. i think youve seen just about all your going to see. i believe he does have to show up and acknowledge this most important event , and record.until we prove otherwise we let history sort it out. it was a era that was bad for baseball but part of baseball's history. as a fan if you keep holding on to it, it will ruin the game for you. must accept the fact we have new guidelines and we must impose them. if you get caught you get the boot from now on- whats done is done. we had the era of spitballs,and later after years of being banned i'm sure some would question gaylord perry etc. i feel just as bad that hank aaron's record will go down. and will always incoperate this into my thinking. he will still be the all time hr leader to me.i couldn't agree more with the old timers being upset, i would be also.i think by showing up doesnt mean its kosher, but unless you can prove it it won't help by turning a blind eye to his accomplishments either. like i said its going in the books as barry bonds all time hr leader - like it or not. whats done is done and no matter what happens thier will always be questions. time and history are the only things that will sort this out. don't let it ruin the game for you.we start anew. thats how i'm going to deal with it. i love this game and am not going to let this record and its outcome make me sit at a game and be suspicious of everone and question everything and get so cynical that i start to hate it. we will always have baseball-it may not be the most popular sport but its the most important.

I understand your point. However, I don't think it's a question of like it or not. We are talking about the alleged regulatory body and their corporate governance -- or in this case, lack thereof. I accept that this record will be broken, and it will be acknowledged -- in the record books and as part of history. However, in my eyes, to acknowledge this as some sort of great accomplishment where it should memorialized as "absolute" -- that is just as wrong as the complete lack of governance I referred to.

In my mind, Bud Selig needs to take a stand and make a very clear statement -- right here and right now, and very different than the statement that has been put forth in the past. You cannot convene an investigation, stand up and say you are going to clean up the game, and enforce a set of rules, put the game on trial in front of a Congressional committee, and then not give the entire process validity. Well, actually you can do that -- however, by doing that you have made your statement, and it is a very bad one.

Let Bud Selig stand up and restore credibility and integrity to the process and the game. It won't happen, but I think that is what's neccessary.

Eric

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by ELA

Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

if i can still love horseracing and live with the cheating in this game (tho i wish they could clean it up) i can deal with a era in baseball also. heck by now i should be thinking this sport is a joke, but i'm not going to let some bad apples take it away from me.so we should sit and acknowledge todd pletcher for a eclipse award for best trainer- while he accepts it and is out on suspension at the same time. no -but there is nothing we are going to do about

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by ELA

Having Bud Selig show up, and having him, and the rest of baseball acknowledge this record being broken as if it were "clean" and "kosher" -- in my mind doesn't solve any problem. It compounds it. This doesn't put the tainted days of MLB behind us -- it traps us inside of it. At least that is the way I feel.

I think there needs to be a drastic shift in how this entire situation is being handled. The investigation(s) are a joke, owners are not being forced to address the problem and deal with it head on, and players are not being put in a position where they suffer the consequences of tainting America's pastime.

I have several retired MLB players as clients, and as friends. A few of them are in the 500 HR Club. You should listen to their passion and disgust when they talk about the game they once played and will forever love. Not that all of them are angels or hollier than thou, but I think the game needs to stop perpetuating status quo.

Eric

I really don't want to rehash the tainted era debate,but if 85% of MLB was taking "greenies" during the 80's,then the talk of steriods and Mitchells hearings should have started in a diffrent direction! How pervasive was the steriods problem?...I'll add that if the Mets' clubhouse boy was correct about wholesale use,then the whole 'crime and punishment thing' should just sit down and shut up! McGuire has the Creatine and Andro in his locker in plain sight..they were OTC so why would he think it was illegal? Sosa is self-serving, to be sure...but his bats in Cooperstown were checked for cork and came up clean. He's doing well this year,so? Bonds is in his own world,granted, and whatever Greg Anderson gave him(knowingly or not) had nothing to do with hand/eye coordination....the guy has the sweetest swing on earth(Griffey Jr #2). Bonds was and still is a workout freak(5-6hrs a day) offseason. After having said all that....MLB apparently had implicit consent to what went on in the past, and IT needs to do what it can to repair the Sport!

[ELA]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I really don't want to rehash the tainted era debate,but if 85% of MLB was taking "greenies" during the 80's,then the talk of steriods and Mitchells hearings should have started in a diffrent direction! How pervasive was the steriods problem?...I'll add that if the Mets' clubhouse boy was correct about wholesale use,then the whole 'crime and punishment thing' should just sit down and shut up! McGuire has the Creatine and Andro in his locker in plain sight..they were OTC so why would he think it was illegal? Sosa is self-serving, to be sure...but his bats in Cooperstown were checked for cork and came up clean. He's doing well this year,so? Bonds is in his own world,granted, and whatever Greg Anderson gave him(knowingly or not) had nothing to do with hand/eye coordination....the guy has the sweetest swing on earth(Griffey Jr #2). Bonds was and still is a workout freak(5-6hrs a day) offseason. After having said all that....MLB apparently had implicit consent to what went on in the past, and IT needs to do what it can to repair the Sport!

I think your closing statement says it all -- excellent point.

I guess it just becomes what each person thinks MLB needs to do. Everyone's standards and "repair" points are going to be different.

Eric

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

*.......next to any record