High School Graduation Rates By Cities Report

[Storm Cadet]

STS, with all due respect...graduation rates in this and any other study are USUALLY flawed.

The Cumulative Promotion Index (CPI) used to measure graduation rates in this report estimates the percent of 9th grade students who will receive a high school diploma four school years later. Multiplying the CPI for 2003-04 by the number of 9th graders enrolled that year, we can project the expected number of graduates and nongraduates for the 2006-07 school year.

In my business, the NCAA and the Chronicle of Higher Education counts the graduation rates of all Div 1 schools with this similar flawed system. They count each frosh who enters and then counts each kid that graduates. You would think thats OK right?

But what about the kids that transfer, we can't count that kid. We have NO way to know if a kid who transfers graduates or not. AND we are not allowed to count transfers in who DO graduate.That kid is NOT counted by either institution. The kids that leave early for pro baseball, football and hoops count AGAINST you in your grad rates. They might return to school in 2-3 years during the off season to finish their degree, BUT they don't count as grads. Kids that leave because of financial reasons or family reasons and then come back to graduate AFTER their class counts against you.

Yes we have those bandit schools that NEVER graduate a kid in 4 years...but many times those stats are misleading.

In public schools, how many kids leave HS without a diploma BUT go to a prep school for their 5th year to improve and to better themselves for college. That doesn't count. I know many kids start in public schools in NYC, then go to prep or catholic schools. They are counted as NON grads in this study because the public school has no way to track the students progress at their new institution even though they did graduate on time!

This study was on one of the national talk shows this past week. The city of Detroit strongly disagreed with this studies numbers. They had their kids at I think 70%. The leader of this study couldn't on national TV discuss the criteria on how he got these numbers and the circumstances regarding the kids who left early in the Detroit study. He couldn't remember a simple thing like if a kids family MOVED out of the city to the suburbs, did his study still count the kid as a NON grad where Dertroit public schools DID NOT count him as a non grad. The kid didn't drop out...he moved away from the school district.

How many kids leave the public school and join the military and get their GED there. I highly doubt this study counts them in and is that so bad a thing to do?

Sure I'm concerned...we should strive for the golden 100% rate, but it's just as bad as the schools that have HIGH grad rates and their kids still KANT SPELLE! I deal with college kids EVERY day that graduated from HS and they are brutal academically. The foreign kids we get to my University are MUCH more advanced academically than our domestic students who get HS diplomas. Our whole system is broken down. IMO

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

STS, with all due respect...graduation rates in this and any other study are USUALLY flawed.

The Cumulative Promotion Index (CPI) used to measure graduation rates in this report estimates the percent of 9th grade students who will receive a high school diploma four school years later. Multiplying the CPI for 2003-04 by the number of 9th graders enrolled that year, we can project the expected number of graduates and nongraduates for the 2006-07 school year.

In my business, the NCAA grad rates of all Div 1 schools are very flawed. They count each frosh who enters and then counts each kid that graduates. You would think thats OK right?

But what about the kids that transfer, we can't count that kid. We have NO way to know if a kid who transfers graduates or not. AND we are not allowed to count transfers in who DO graduate.The kids that leave early for pro baseball, football and hoops count AGAINST you in your grad rates. They might return to school in 2-3 years during the off season to finish their degree, BUT they don't count as grads. Kids that leave because of financial reasons or family reasons and then come back to graduate AFTER their class counts against you.

Yes we have those bandit schools that NEVER graduate a kid in 4 years...but many times those stats are misleading.

In public schools, how many kids leave HS without a diploma BUT go to a prep school for their 5th year to improve and to better themselves for college. That doesn't count. I know many kids start in public schools in NYC, then go to prep or catholic schools. They are counted as NON grads in this study because the public school has no way to track the students progress at their new institution even though they did graduate on time!

This study was on one of the national talk shows this past week. The city of Detroit strongly disagreed with this studies numbers. They had their kids at I think 70%. The leader of this study couldn't on national TV discuss the criteria on how he got these numbers and the circumstances regarding the kids who left early in the Detroit study. He couldn't remember a simple thing like if a kids family MOVED out of the city to the suburbs, did his study still count the kid as a NON grad where Dertroit public schools DID NOT count him as a non grad. The kid didn't drop out...he moved away from the school district.

How many kids leave the public school and join the military and get their GED there. I highly doubt this study counts them in and is that so bad a thing to do?

Sure I'm concerned...we should strive for the golden 100% rate, but it's just as bad as the schools that have HIGH grad rates and their kids still KANT SPELLE! I deal with college kids EVERY day that graduated from HS and they are brutal academically. The foreign kids we get to my University are MUCH more advanced academically than our domestic students who get HS diplomas. Our whole system is broken down. IMO

Thanks. All you wrote makes a lot of sense. Like any study with numbers, it's all in the methodology and it's to be viewed on that basis. I'm sure that there are more students leaving the Detroit schools for other Districts than there are moving in, etc...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

How many kids leave the public school and join the military and get their GED there. I highly doubt this study counts them in and is that so bad a thing to do?

A GED isn't counted because a GED isn't a diploma.

Excellent points, though.

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

The foreign kids we get to my University are MUCH more advanced academically than our domestic students who get HS diplomas. Our whole system is broken down. IMO

We do not cull our students in the US. Everyone, including Morton, is not only allowed, but required to spend some amount of time in secondary school. THis is clearly not the case in other countries. The Kid with Down Syndrome can attend public schools. What do they do with these kids in other countries. Check out Russia. You would be appalled.

I will put our very best students from my High School up against the very best from any other country... Math, Science, you name it. There are some top notch kids in public schools. This I promise. Its just the gap between the extremely motivated bright kids, and the unmotivated grows every year. And dont beat the public schools up on this.

I would describe our system of education as a mirror of our society. It works very well for those of means and desire. Just like our society. Now I will say that we put very little emphasis on good teaching. But I feel that good teachers eventually find their way to schools with a clientele willing to learn. Although I think it should be easier to let teachers who dont give a damn go.

[Mortimer]

The pure personification of brilliance. "main course"

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As you know...I have always been one of your main admirers here...sir.


And I do award you 35 AndyPandas.







Your work is top grade.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

The pure personification of brilliance. "main course"

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As you know...I have always been one of your main admirers here...sir.


And I do award you 35 AndyPandas.







Your work is top grade.

My work is so bad it's ungradable. Incredibly I am not one of the non-high school graduates listed here. I guess I"m so old when I went to high school they just gave anyone diplomas.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

My work is so bad it's ungradable. Incredibly I am not one of the non-high school graduates listed here. I guess I"m so old when I went to high school they just gave anyone diplomas.

I have found otherwise.




I'm just a part time jacka s s .

I found your NBA work admirable.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

I have found otherwise.




I'm just a part time jacka s s .

I found your NBA work admirable.

Full time failure. Part time jacka s s. How ever do you find the time?

I am finding you somewhat amusing today. Keep up the good work.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Full time failure. Part time jacka s s. How ever do you find the time?

I am finding you somewhat amusing today. Keep up the good work.

I never said I was a full time failure.


You don't really know the fraction breakdowns on my failure and jack a s s time.



It's a lot less than 70% when added together.


And finding me somewhat amsuing today will never get you into MORTY'S GIRLS.

[SentToStud]

[quote=mortimerdexterfoxworthy]I never said I was a full time failure.


You don't really know the fraction breakdowns on my failure and jack a s s time.



It's a lot less than 70% when added together.


And finding me somewhat amsuing today will never get you into MORTY'S GIRLS.[/QUOTE]

It's good to have hard to reach goals. It's sort of like banking that 3rd million dollars. It's not supposed to be easy.