Gorbachev: Iraq

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Write me down as another who believe it was a mistake.

What the hell good came of it?

It is really easy to be against something after the events have played out.

So at the time we went in to Afghanistan, you rejected the entire EU's opinion (even France) also? Just you and Congressman Ron Paul. No seriously, look back at the votes. AT THE TIME, I can remember only a handful speaking out against our Afghanistan foray. After the fact its so easy.

Put yourself in a position of power at that time, in this country and you would have said no... right after 9/11 and the fact the Taliban told us they would protect Osama Bin Laden, come and get him... you would have told your constituents leave the Taliban alone, they good people. Let Osama roam, we cant get the guy. You would have told this to NY city and the families, and the nation. You are a brave man with a crystal ball I dont have.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It is really easy to be against something after the events have played out.

So at the time we went in to Afghanistan, you rejected the entire EU's opinion (even France) also? Just you and Congressman Ron Paul. No seriously, look back at the votes. AT THE TIME, I can remember only a handful speaking out against our Afghanistan foray. After the fact its so easy.

Put yourself in a position of power at that time, in this country and you would have said no... right after 9/11 and the fact the Taliban told us they would protect Osama Bin Laden, come and get him... you would have told your constituents leave the Taliban alone, they good people. Let Osama roam, we cant get the guy. You would have told this to NY city and the families, and the nation. You are a brave man with a crystal ball I dont have.

No, not true. I fully expected the Afghanistan foray to fail. I've never been to Afghanistan but I have been to Turkey and Armenia and the terrain there is similar and it is such that it's impossible to find anyone. You can look for miles in any direction and see nothing but rocks. I just remember thinking, "they'll never find bin Laden."

I would have been all for bin Laden's assasination but by covert means. Frankly, I assume we've been trying that as well for years and no luck there either.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No, not true. I fully expected the Afghanistan foray to fail. I've never been to Afghanistan but I have been to Turkey and Armenia and the terrain there is similar and it is such that it's impossible to find anyone. You can look for miles in any direction and see nothing but rocks. I just remember thinking, "they'll never find bin Laden."

I would have been all for bin Laden's assasination but by covert means. Frankly, I assume we've been trying that as well for years and no luck there either.

Morty again attempts to hijack a thread with drool and spittle. Morty you can go off on a tangent concerning foreign affairs and policy. But leaving pure saliva behind to dry is getting old. If you want to be entertaining, the routine has got to evolve. Your trampling the same grass over and over. Its dead.

SS. We had him. We had Bin Laden dead. And the decision to let some locals go in and root him out ruined it. So in this case if we had just been brutal and brushed aside local "intervention" he would be a dead man. Not that it would change anything. Just like the capture of Sadam, it did nothing to rectify the broader picture.
And the success in getting rid of the Taliban for a while was immense. But our little foray into Iraq took away much of the success we did have in Afghanistan. So this looks like another situation that is not good that might have been without our extra big problems. I would not have known this at the time. So you are ahead of me.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Morty again attempts to hijack a thread with drool and spittle. Morty you can go off on a tangent concerning foreign affairs and policy. But leaving pure saliva behind to dry is getting old. If you want to be entertaining, the routine has got to evolve. Your trampling the same grass over and over. Its dead.

SS. We had him. We had Bin Laden dead. And the decision to let some locals go in and root him out ruined it. So in this case if we had just been brutal and brushed aside local "intervention" he would be a dead man. Not that it would change anything. Just like the capture of Sadam, it did nothing to rectify the broader picture.
And the success in getting rid of the Taliban for a while was immense. But our little foray into Iraq took away much of the success we did have in Afghanistan. So this looks like another situation that is not good that might have been without our extra big problems. I would not have known this at the time. So you are ahead of me.

You leave Ray alone ...FUCl<O!

[Mortimer]

I have failed to do so regarding my promise to leave this assauged thread.





But I gave it up for Ray Downthehatch....I mean stretch.


I must be punished.

I'll think of something.