Kobes' Brain is exploding

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If the Lakers are to trade Kobe, here are some options. Keep in mind I don't know all contract situations and if there would need to be any sign and trades done or other minor players added to make the deals work. In no order:

Boston would send the Paul Pierce, Gerald Green and the #5 pick in the draft in exchange for Kobe and the Lakers' #19.

NJ would send Vince Carter, Nenad Krstic and the #17 pick for Kobe.

Atlanta would send Joe Johnson, Tyronne Lue and the #3 pick for Kobe.

A little less metropolitan but Charlotte would send Gerald Wallace, Emeka Okafur, and two picks (#8 and 22) for Kobe and Kwame Brown.

There is no way that the Lakers take that deal from the Celtics
Carter is a unrestricted free agent and would have to agree with a sign and trade which is unlikely considering he is going to want max money and Kristic is coming off an injury
There is zero chance that Kobe will accept a trade to Atlanta
But I like the fact that you are trying...

[King Glorious]

I thought the Celtic one might be the best of the bunch. The Lakers would get back Paul Pierce who is not only a consistent all-star player but is a guy that can be a 26-30 point a night scorer. In addition to that, he's a local guy so he'd already have a fan base here. He's also got a few more years left on him than Kobe does. In Gerald Green, u have instant excitement. He's not too much unlike a young Kobe. He's only 21 and last year, he averaged 10 points a game in only 22 minutes a night. In the second half of the season, he showed quite a lot of potential, even averaging 16 a game in the last month of the season in 33 minutes a night. Also, like Kobe, he's a guy that won the slam dunk contest. These two guys would fit in great with LA and the whole "Showtime" atmosphere that Buss wants back. With that #5 draft selection, they could pick up a big guy that can play some defense. A guy like Joakim Noah or Al Horford might be available or maybe they go in a different direction and select a guy like Brandan Wright or Corey Brewer. Maybe even a point guard like Mike Conley could be available. I don't think this lineup is too bad:

Kwame Brown
Lamar Odom
Paul Pierce
Jordan Farmar
Gerald Green

Coming off the bench they could have Maurice Evans, Luke Walton, Joakim Noah, Rony Turiaf and they would have to bring in a veteran with the mid-level exception, most likely a guy that can play the point. They wouldn't need anyone flashy, just steady and that can play some defense. I think this would be an exciting team again. Or how bout offer up Odom and #5 for Kevin Garnett and have a lineup of Brown, Garnett, Pierce, Farmar and Green? That works for me.

The Carter deal might not be bad either. Again, we are talking about a proven all-star capable of getting u 25-30 a night. His style of play would be great here too. The Lakers are already paying Kobe max money so I don't know that they would be against giving Carter that amount. They need a superstar player in return in any trade and any superstar is going to get max money. I know about Kristic's injury but I haven't heard that he's not going to return. When he does, he's a much better player than Kwame Brown, even at 60% or so. Plus, Kwame is also coming off of a series of injuries himself. Neither one of them alone makes a great player but the two of them combined could give u a decent center combo. Add in Andrew Bynum and u have a 3-headed monster.

The Atlanta deal, I could see that happening too. Joe Johnson is an emerging star player in this league. Before his calf injury last year, he was scoring 25 a night. He plays pretty decent defense too and can rebound and score a little as well. Tyronne Lue could be the point guard, either as the starter if u feel Farmar is still not ready or as his backup. He fills a need the Lakers are weak at which is a defensive point guard. With that #3 pick, the options are wide open. Maybe a Corey Brewer or one of the Florida big men? Or how bout trade Odom and the #3 for Pierce and the #5. They could still grab one of the Florida big men and would be able to field of lineup of Brown, Noah/Horford, Pierce, Farmar/Lue, Johnson. They'd have size, quickness and great scoring. Or offer Odom and the #3 for Kevin Garnett. In either trade scenario involving Odom, they would still have their mid-level exception to use on a veteran player. And in all of this, they keep their prized young big man Andrew Bynum.

The thing is this. If they have to get rid of Kobe, they need a superstar in return. There just aren't that many guys in the league that can get u 25-30 a night. I've given u scenarios where u can get either Pierce, Carter, or Johnson, three of the ones that can. If they deal with Atlanta or Boston, they would also get a #3 or #5 that they can offer up with Odom for a guy like Kevin Garnett. I don't see how they beat this stuff. They don't need Jerry West. They need me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I thought the Celtic one might be the best of the bunch. The Lakers would get back Paul Pierce who is not only a consistent all-star player but is a guy that can be a 26-30 point a night scorer. In addition to that, he's a local guy so he'd already have a fan base here. He's also got a few more years left on him than Kobe does. In Gerald Green, u have instant excitement. He's not too much unlike a young Kobe. He's only 21 and last year, he averaged 10 points a game in only 22 minutes a night. In the second half of the season, he showed quite a lot of potential, even averaging 16 a game in the last month of the season in 33 minutes a night. Also, like Kobe, he's a guy that won the slam dunk contest. These two guys would fit in great with LA and the whole "Showtime" atmosphere that Buss wants back. With that #5 draft selection, they could pick up a big guy that can play some defense. A guy like Joakim Noah or Al Horford might be available or maybe they go in a different direction and select a guy like Brandan Wright or Corey Brewer. Maybe even a point guard like Mike Conley could be available. I don't think this lineup is too bad:

Kwame Brown
Lamar Odom
Paul Pierce
Jordan Farmar
Gerald Green

King not to burst your bubble but you seem to have hit your head if you think that that lineup is solid.
Kwame is a backup at best, and not a very good one. His biggest asset is that he gets 6 fouls a night.
Lamar Odom is a good role player but he is a on the ball type who would not mesh well with Pierce.
Pierce is a nice scorer who can play both the transition and half court game but needs a tough inside prescence to make up for his lack of rebounding.
Jordan Farmer is a backup point guard that may develop. He turns the ball over far too often and with that line up would be good for about 8 a night
Green is not going to be a good NBA player. Who rebounds in that lineup? Who plays the tough post guy? Who guards the shooting 2 guard or active 3?
That lineup may work for you a NBA live 07 but in the real NBA it is a lottery lineup in the West,

Kobe's I want to be traded spiel on his site is now down.
I wonder what his agent is thinking... He cant be telling Kobe to pull all this crap. I wonder how much of this we would hear if LA could get themselves into the East. There is just no way for the Lakers in the West right now. Patience is apparently not the operative thought in LA.

You are obviously thinking a lot about this Mr. King. Much more than I am. But I think Mr. Cannon is right. Kwame is lame, physically and mentally. And Odom is so inconsistent and injury prone. That group gets destroyed in the West. With Portland and Seattle getting the draft picks they got... Dallas, Phoenix, Utah, San Antonio, Houston... holy schmokes its tough. Sometimes you have to just sit back and let events take place. Injuries occur, changes are made by others that allow for opportunity. The Lakers are in a tough spot at the moment. Phil and Buss realize this I believe. Kobe is on oscillation mode.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Carter deal might not be bad either. Again, we are talking about a proven all-star capable of getting u 25-30 a night. His style of play would be great here too. The Lakers are already paying Kobe max money so I don't know that they would be against giving Carter that amount. They need a superstar player in return in any trade and any superstar is going to get max money. I know about Kristic's injury but I haven't heard that he's not going to return. When he does, he's a much better player than Kwame Brown, even at 60% or so. Plus, Kwame is also coming off of a series of injuries himself. Neither one of them alone makes a great player but the two of them combined could give u a decent center combo. Add in Andrew Bynum and u have a 3-headed monster.

You like Carters style of play? The hoist it up, no D, no rebounding, sulking, type? Nobody wants to give Carter max money. He is just not the kind of guy you build a team around. Toronto practically gave him away. He may be a superstar player in the fans eyes but the reality is that he is not a highly coveted player.
Kristic is a better player than Brown, no doubt. But he would make Brown expendable and he is too expensive to play 10 minutes a game.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You like Carters style of play? The hoist it up, no D, no rebounding, sulking, type? Nobody wants to give Carter max money. He is just not the kind of guy you build a team around. Toronto practically gave him away. He may be a superstar player in the fans eyes but the reality is that he is not a highly coveted player.
Kristic is a better player than Brown, no doubt. But he would make Brown expendable and he is too expensive to play 10 minutes a game.

I also believe this. Carter is pure entertainment. Some teams apparently covet this quality, others want to win. And Carter is also getting injured all the time. His star fades.

[King Glorious]

What u guys are not doing is looking at other options. U are saying what won't work and looking at the shortcomings of Brown and Odom and Carter and Kristic, etc but u aren't saying what will work? If they don't trade Kwame, they are STILL going to have him. And since u agree that he's pretty pathetic, who's going to want him at that price? The Lakers either have to find a dummy to take him and his expiring contract or they have to keep him. I think he's staying. I'm not in any way saying that he's a solid player and makes a difference. I'm just saying this is what u are going to have. Odom is what he is. He'll never be a superstar player but if he's not traded, he'll still be here too. I'm asking what u guys would do? Do u stand pat and not trade Kobe and not trade anyone else and keep the same team that's gone sub-.500 since Shaq was traded and won't go anywhere next year either? What deals do u make? Do u ride it out with Kobe and take the chance that he opts out in two years and u get nothing in return? Or do u trade him now while he's still got value and avoid what happened to the Bulls post-Jordan and the Celtics post-Bird? They can't just sit on their hands. They got to make a major move. U guys are telling me that the deals I'm proposing would leave them with teams that would get crushed in the West. Isn't that what's already happening now and why Kobe wants out?

Originally Posted by King Glorious

They can't just sit on their hands. They got to make a major move.

Why not?

No they dont.

Things can change radically in one year. Again, players get hurt, players become disgruntled, and opportunites open up (draft in one year, who knows). Imo the Lakers have got to wait. Making moves that put you in a deeper hole dont work. Panic at a time when choices are limited is not the answer. At this time they just dont have many options, although I do complement your work on trying. Options that are much more viable will most likely present themselves if they wait imo.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What u guys are not doing is looking at other options. U are saying what won't work and looking at the shortcomings of Brown and Odom and Carter and Kristic, etc but u aren't saying what will work? If they don't trade Kwame, they are STILL going to have him. And since u agree that he's pretty pathetic, who's going to want him at that price? The Lakers either have to find a dummy to take him and his expiring contract or they have to keep him. I think he's staying. I'm not in any way saying that he's a solid player and makes a difference. I'm just saying this is what u are going to have. Odom is what he is. He'll never be a superstar player but if he's not traded, he'll still be here too. I'm asking what u guys would do? Do u stand pat and not trade Kobe and not trade anyone else and keep the same team that's gone sub-.500 since Shaq was traded and won't go anywhere next year either? What deals do u make? Do u ride it out with Kobe and take the chance that he opts out in two years and u get nothing in return? Or do u trade him now while he's still got value and avoid what happened to the Bulls post-Jordan and the Celtics post-Bird? They can't just sit on their hands. They got to make a major move. U guys are telling me that the deals I'm proposing would leave them with teams that would get crushed in the West. Isn't that what's already happening now and why Kobe wants out?

I just cant see what they can do especially with the salary cap. You are right about Brown and the only way you could get rid of him would be a package deal where you forced a team to take him if they wanted another player. But with Kobe's contract I dont think that you can package Brown with him without a getting a ton of contract money back, which is hard to do. The only option may be a three way trade where 2 teams can spread some of the contract money around and find matching parts.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Atlanta deal, I could see that happening too. Joe Johnson is an emerging star player in this league. Before his calf injury last year, he was scoring 25 a night. He plays pretty decent defense too and can rebound and score a little as well. Tyronne Lue could be the point guard, either as the starter if u feel Farmar is still not ready or as his backup. He fills a need the Lakers are weak at which is a defensive point guard. With that #3 pick, the options are wide open. Maybe a Corey Brewer or one of the Florida big men? Or how bout trade Odom and the #3 for Pierce and the #5. They could still grab one of the Florida big men and would be able to field of lineup of Brown, Noah/Horford, Pierce, Farmar/Lue, Johnson. They'd have size, quickness and great scoring. Or offer Odom and the #3 for Kevin Garnett. In either trade scenario involving Odom, they would still have their mid-level exception to use on a veteran player. And in all of this, they keep their prized young big man Andrew Bynum.

If they trade Kobe to Atlanta for Joe Johnson, Tyrone Lue and the #3, Jack will become a Clippers fan