Circular Quay

[blackthroatedwind]

To be fair to Nick, I'm not certain Bellamy Road was in his barn yet when he said that. However, it is more than a valid point in general.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

No, by ridiculous I meant this one, "TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING." Try telling that to Sea Hero, Grindstone, Real Quiet, Charismatic, and Giacomo. They all started racing in June or July.

And why is it that all racing has to have TC implications or it means nothing. It's still horse racing and the races pay off just the same as the ones that the big guys are running in. Only a limited number of races involve those horses anyway.

You need to take a class in logic. Who cares when any horse started racing? The point is that 2yr olds change overnight. These horses aren't even close to grown and what they do now is zero indication of what they will be like in a month from now, let alone a year from now. 2yr old horses can improve or regress in a matter of weeks. The fact is most 2yr olds are still unraced so to say that "as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him" is RIDICULOUS.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For what it's worth, I don't particularly disagree with this in general, but the horse being discussed with the 99 Beyer, Soaring By, did not earn his figure in " free-running fashion ". He broke a tad slow, was not rushed, and made a nice closing move to win off fairly easily. I have no real opinion of his future one way or another, and as always we need to see more races, but it wasn't one of those fast front running victories that often prove unreliable.

I saw his race differently. A half-step slow, ok. But he had open racetrack in front of him the entire race. Outside post and superior ability combined with no traffic issues, especially at Belmont.... to me that is as free-running a trip as a horse who breaks on top comfortably. Don't get me wrong, very impressive. But again, just a maiden win in fast time with a great trip doesn't put the horse above a graded winner. Solid bet-against for me from an inside post vs tougher next out.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

You need to take a class in logic. Who cares when any horse started racing? The point is that 2yr olds change overnight. These horses aren't even close to grown and what they do now is zero indication of what they will be like in a month from now, let alone a year from now. 2yr old horses can improve or regress in a matter of weeks. The fact is most 2yr olds are still unraced so to say that "as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him" is RIDICULOUS.

You seem to care when a horse starts racing because of you oft repeated maxim "TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING.".

I merely pointed out to you that the two year old races this time of year can have TC implications and I pointed out to you that even without TC implications these races mean something to the people racing the horses and to the bettors that enjoy the races. That they might change in a month or so, or a that a better one might come along, who cares? That's all part of the handicapping analysis.

I did not make the statement you keep quoting, so I'm not going to comment on it.

Hoist I think you need counseling. This is a little over the top isnt it?
Glad the wifeys friend brothers dad, blah. WHo cares. You think it impresses us that you globbed onto someone who owns horses. Gee, what a hero. It looks as if thats your only qualification because you sure havent posted anything yet that gives us insight or though, thats for sure.
You are angry because you came here and talked smack about Tiger being the best three sprinter in the land, and I told you Anew would crush him, and he did. Sore loser who knwos nothing. Wanna talk accountability? be back in two seconds with all your ignorant Tiger posts you clown. Gimme a sec to copy them here on teh thread.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hoist I think you need counseling. This is a little over the top isnt it?
Glad the wifeys friend brothers dad, blah. WHo cares. You think it impresses us that you globbed onto someone who owns horses. Gee, what a hero. It looks as if thats your only qualification because you sure havent posted anything yet that gives us insight or though, thats for sure.
You are angry because you came here and talked smack about Tiger being the best three sprinter in the land, and I told you Anew would crush him, and he did. Sore loser who knwos nothing. Wanna talk accountability? be back in two seconds with all your ignorant Tiger posts you clown. Gimme a sec to copy them here on teh thread.

I realize you like to bash people and attack them personally because of who their daddy is or who their wife is (it isn't your fault that you are really insecure, I am sure it goes back to your childhood) but you made some statements about CQ and I am going to never let you hear the end of it when he gets trounced. As for Tiger, you never said Anew would beat him, in fact you said Anew who beat him earlier was just a claimer. I have a reason to root for Tiger so I will continue to root for him. LETS SEE THE POST WHERE YOU SAID ANEW WOULD CRUSH HIM. Mr. Accountability.

[alysheba4]

yeah, i couldnt believe it....... i had him and was ready to crumble my tote. that horse is a freak, that is one running fool.

Circular Quay is obviously a very nice 2-year-old, and the best thing about him is that he possesses a two-turn pedigree unlike the other nice juveniles we've seen thus far this summer (Other than Merv Griffin's Golden Missile colt)...he obviously likes CD with both wins coming there in a very professional manner from off the pace - which is not an easy thing for babies to do - and with the BC Juvy being in Louisville this year you certainly have to stamp him as the favorite until he is beaten...

Personally, I think there are horses out there that have shown more talent to this point - like his stablemates Minefield and Scat Daddy, but for a Thunder Gulch to go 1:09 and change in his second start as a two-year-old and beat Grade III horses in the process is impressive and a sign for things to come if he can stay sound....I promise you that this one won't prove to be most effective around one turn...

As for his race yesterday, he proved best late BUT he did get a little fortune....the race really set up for him with the quick and contested pace...

Nice colt...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I promise you that this one won't prove to be most effective around one turn...

This is kind of like when Jim Dolan promised Knick fans they would make the playoffs. It's not exactly a " promise " you can keep.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is kind of like when Jim Dolan promised Knick fans they would make the playoffs. It's not exactly a " promise " you can keep.

....It is a figure of speech, of course....

I'm not an Isiah Thomas fan so you can guess why I believe they have failed, but that is another story....If they have any small imagination at all that he can coach better than Larry Brown than they need to put down their crackpipes and try another sporting profession such as basket weaving or something...

Back to racing , Circular Quay is not only by Thunder Gulch...his first three broodmare sires are Belong to Me, Shadeed and Alydar....I would be confident in saying that he should not excel at six panels or any distance under a mile, but I've been wrong before

[blackthroatedwind]

I'll tell you what, I will be far less surprised when Circular Quay wins a Grade 1 around two turns than I will be that he even made it that far. Personally I don't put a very high over/under on the number of starts he has left.

In fact, even the Knicks over/under is considerably higher for next season.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'll tell you what, I will be far less surprised when Circular Quay wins a Grade 1 around two turns than I will be that he even made it that far. Personally I don't put a very high over/under on the number of starts he has left.

In fact, even the Knicks over/under is considerably higher for next season.

Do you know of soundness issues he has? Unlike most babies that run at CD, I have never seen this horse in person in the paddock...I missed both of his races....is he a pretsel or something?

[blackthroatedwind]

I have zero inside information about this horse ( I rarely have any specific info about horses.....or at least correct info. I get plenty of bad information ).

Win early 2YOs just don't seem to stick around and their record from that barn is not good. I hope I'm wrong and he hangs around for years and does well.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I have zero inside information about this horse ( I rarely have any specific info about horses.....or at least correct info. I get plenty of bad information ).

Win early 2YOs just don't seem to stick around and their record from that barn is not good. I hope I'm wrong and he hangs around for years and does well.

Statistically speaking you are probably right on this one.

It appears that we have a lot of people who either married people in the business, or know people in the business. And if you don't love the horses associated with these people, or the trainer that these people use, you are definitely a bad person, lol. And Heaven forbid you get excited about a horse that these peoples spouses or friends have nothing to do with, or about a horse that their spouse or friends dont employ.
The sad part is that these guys dont know a damn thing and their posts make that quite obvious. High Finance in the Belmont Hoist? What were you drinking that day? Please spare me teh attempts at feigning as if you have any idea whatsoever waht you are talking about.
Tell you what, why dont you and Bold Ruler get together, put together a list of horses and trainers we are allowed to root for, and get back to us so that we can comply with your wishes.
No wait on 2nd thought Hoist, go and get your ******* shinebox.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Statistically speaking you are probably right on this one.

Right...I'm hardly going out on a limb.

I have far more respect for the opinions of those high on him should he turn out to be a genuine star than I would for my own if I am unfortunately correct about my prediction. Regardless of how it may seem, I took the 3:5 shot. Agree or not, Oracle took a stand. He just can't take that many more with 2YOs should this one fizzle .

I think he has a tremendous chance to stretch out later on in the year with his pedigree and running style. Loved his sire as a horse and think he is underrated as a sire. WIll be a three year old? Stats say probably not as lately any two year old with a summer/fall campaign doesnt last to the following spring, regardless of who trains him. I'm not starting a quay for HOY thread or anything like that.
Hoist who is it that we are allowed to like?

Originally Posted by oracle80

It appears that we have a lot of people who either married people in the business, or know people in the business. And if you don't love the horses associated with these people, or the trainer that these people use, you are definitely a bad person, lol. And Heaven forbid you get excited about a horse that these peoples spouses or friends have nothing to do with, or about a horse that their spouse or friends dont employ.
The sad part is that these guys dont know a damn thing and their posts make that quite obvious. High Finance in the Belmont Hoist? What were you drinking that day? Please spare me teh attempts at feigning as if you have any idea whatsoever waht you are talking about.
Tell you what, why dont you and Bold Ruler get together, put together a list of horses and trainers we are allowed to root for, and get back to us so that we can comply with your wishes.
No wait on 2nd thought Hoist, go and get your ******* shinebox.

Actually you were the one who said the two year old division was wrapped up by this horse. So I guess all people involved with 2yr olds should just give up. I don't remember who I picked in the Belmont but I don't ever see you picking anything until after the race. Let me guess, you are one of those people that go back and research everyones posts so you can call them idiots but forget your own posts. Heh, not your fault, I am sure it stems from your childhood.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think he has a tremendous chance to stretch out later on in the year with his pedigree and running style. Loved his sire as a horse and think he is underrated as a sire. WIll be a three year old? Stats say probably not as lately any two year old with a summer/fall campaign doesnt last to the following spring, regardless of who trains him. I'm not starting a quay for HOY thread or anything like that.
Hoist who is it that we are allowed to like?

You can like anyone you want and so can anyone else, but you and your "daddy's money" comments and attacks on peoples families is going to get you attacked when you make ridiculous statements like "there won't be a two year old who will touch him" or he is the greatest 2yr old in 10 years. Most 2yr olds have yet to run, some are already faster, and this horse is slow. You are just pushing this crap to make it look like you are the greatest judge of horseflesh alive. A nice 2yr old ran a good race but on two races you have proclaimed him the Eclipse winner.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

You can like anyone you want and so can anyone else, but you and your "daddy's money" comments and attacks on peoples families is going to get you attacked when you make ridiculous statements like "there won't be a two year old who will touch him" or he is the greatest 2yr old in 10 years. Most 2yr olds have yet to run, some are already faster, and this horse is slow. You are just pushing this crap to make it look like you are the greatest judge of horseflesh alive. A nice 2yr old ran a good race but on two races you have proclaimed him the Eclipse winner.

Show me where I did that you liar. Thats really all you are, a liar trying to distort or misrepresent what I said.