Victor Molina Is in Trouble

[blackthroatedwind]

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

like most of the men in my life...my horse is a masochist who loves to have his mane pulled...

but your point is right on.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

You know, this is pretty well said. Good job BTW.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by whodey17

You know, this is pretty well said. Good job BTW.

Agreed....

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

Although this is the sort of offense that activists run with too. When that jockey headbutted that horse in Europe, there were videos made saying horse racing is nothing but a bunch of horse hating headbutters. I get your point though and from pulling lots of manes myself I can say it sucked for me too. (just kidding)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

Pulling manes is much more brutal on the person doing it than the horse.

[SentToStud]

I would think kicking a horse in the stomach is more a failing of the one doing the kicking than the horse. I doubt it has any redeeming value.

[robfla]

[ELA]

I think there is one important distinction here. We are not talking about people's experiences, keeping control of a dangerous animal, discipline, or anything of the like -- we are talking about this specific case. In addition, we are not talking about whether or not it hurt the horse.

This is disgusting and deplorable behavior.

Eric

[Scurlogue Champ]

Horse petters unite!!!

[deltagulf]

my two cents he should not have done it. no need to be cruel. just chill out and go on with your business.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ELA

I think there is one important distinction here. We are not talking about people's experiences, keeping control of a dangerous animal, discipline, or anything of the like -- we are talking about this specific case. In addition, we are not talking about whether or not it hurt the horse.

This is disgusting and deplorable behavior.

Eric

Eric,
OK...you're right. I took a "specific case" and personalized it.
There's no reason to "hurt" a horse. Heck, there's only about four seconds to get the message across. Beyond that, my guess is that they missed the connection with their action, and the human's reaction.
Just my 2 pennies worth.

[Left Bank]

He must be good friends with Victor Carrero!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ELA

I think there is one important distinction here. We are not talking about people's experiences, keeping control of a dangerous animal, discipline, or anything of the like -- we are talking about this specific case. In addition, we are not talking about whether or not it hurt the horse.

This is disgusting and deplorable behavior.

Eric

Agreed. He deserves whatever fines he's got coming towards him.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pulling manes is much more brutal on the person doing it than the horse.

I was wondering when this was going to be brought up...

If done correctly, pulling a mane doesn't hurt them all that bad. I used to do it after a workout because the sweating opens up the pores and makes it a bit easier on both human and horse.

As for kicking a horse in the gut, I can honestly say that I've never done that before. I've pulled out the riding crop a few times when needed, but have never been ticked off so much as to drop kick a horse in the gut.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pulling manes is much more brutal on the person doing it than the horse.

AGREED!!!!!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

Well said blackthroat.
As you might have guessed, most times it's not about being "mean" or "cruel",
but rather to remain in control of a very big critter that needs to learn that you're not willing to allow it to hurt you.
This doesn't happen often with me.
A quick story, and I was not the kicker.
A nice mare named Miss Lewis showed up at the farm. She's not mine. I was just trying to help give her a bath.
She's on a lay-up since running at Aq this past winter. I think she won in Feb, but I really didn't follow her.
She's a nice looking mare but must have stepped on something that hurt her left front. She tried to kick the blacksmith the day before, so we held her other leg when he drained the absess. She was quite grouchy.
So, the next day when we were giving her a bath and I held the lead, she goes off again. Those hooves can reach quite far.
It was like, three of us trying to hold an angry crocodile.
Then came the kick that told Miss "Crazy" that her antics weren't appreciated.
She settled down.
We ended the "game" when I put her back in her stall and when I was taking the chain off her bridle, she tried to take off my fingers. I got the snap undone and didn't react further.
I'll be watching her the next time though.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

If this is accurate then horse racing needs to be policed much closer and the abusers run out of the game.

[fpsoxfan]

I held my cat upside down before and dropped him to see if he'd land on his feet, but I never kicked a horse.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I held my cat upside down before and dropped him to see if he'd land on his feet, but I never kicked a horse.

I feel like we're listening to confessions now... lol.