Circular Quay

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't agree that he had " plenty of run left in him " but we can certainly agree to disagree. I feel highly confident he ran as fast as he could have TODAY.

I am not asking you to be " impressed ", but I offer those comparisons as the fairest way to gauge his effort against the other races today. I have no problem with you judging him visually, and respect that, but it is certainly not the only way a horse should be judged. Relative time is important...at least to me.

I think he did have plenty of run left in him, and I was standing about 50 feet from him between the finish and the 1/16th pole.

Crowning him as some sort of champion is out of line, but the little guy ran good and beat the ones who mattered today. He seemed to still be a handful after the race, as he was the first to return back and Bejarano was yelling at him the entire time to basically calm down. That little ****er was ready to run again, regardless of how many tenths of a second he was off the 15K claimers.

[ateamstupid]

The way I feel about CQ is that, at least sprinting, he has one very impressive furlong in him. In his debut, he used that impressive furlong to accelerate and blow away the maidens he was facing in the stretch. Today, he used that furlong to make up a lot of ground on some very nice 2-year-olds.

I'm not as impressed with CQ as I am with his turn of foot. He's got an uncanny ability to turn it on at the right time, and I think that's more valuable than anything with these immature babies.

Black, I totally see your point about the times, but I just feel like this horse has a last 1/8th in him like I've never (or at least hardly ever) seen in a 2-year-old. One of us will be proven right this summer, and I look forward to seeing CQ contest The Sanford and/or The Hopeful.

[Kasept]

It's very tough to draw definitive conclusions about juvies that win this race in particular and any 2 year old stake at this time of year.. Historically, and I mean going back a long way, the Bashford Manor has produced few runners that were anything beyond their first season racing.

Limehouse, Summer Squall and Yes Its True (2nd) went on to nice things, but Favorite Trick and Boston Harbor are more typical precocious Bashford victors. You have to go back to famed Black Gold to find a classic winner that won the Bashford Manor... Black Gold! That was 1923...