Circular Quay

zippyneedsawin · #1 07-09-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think you should watch the race before commenting on his trip. He NEVER steadied ( I just watched it again to make sure ).

What's interesting is that he did not go inside because he had nowhere else to go. He went inside because he insisted on it. Bejarano was whipping him lefty the entire stretch to get him to angle out and the horse wanted to go inside. Reminds me of a Billy Turner maiden winner at Belmont on July 1st who refused to pass outside the leader in the stretch and only got rolling, to win, when he was guided to the rail. So, to me, it was only in getting inside that he was completely comfortable.

As far as his future success based on his breeding....I'll believe that when I see it. Perhaps you are right but considering the pps of 2YOs from this barn I highly doubt we'll even get a chance to find out.

Well, I did admit I had not watched the race, but the equibase charts comments say "steady 3/8s, driving" based on that and the comments of others... and this quote from a bloodhorse.com article:

"Circular Quay, seventh in the early going, started to work his way through the field but was forced to steady in traffic on the far turn and swung to the outside for clear running. Teuflesberg still led at midstretch as Run Alex Run and Shermanesque rallied strongly to his outside and Pegasus Wind began to tire. Circular Quay, still fifth with a furlong to run, veered toward the inside for his late charge. Blanc urged Shermanesque to a narrow advantage over Run Alex Run in the final eighth, but Bejarano guided Circular Quay through along the rail and got clear for the victory.

"He tried to go to the rail, and he was scared a little bit with the other horses," said Bejarano. "So I tried to put him in the best position. The last eighth, I tried to put him to the rail and in five jumps he was in the lead."

Also, sounds like it was the jock's idea, not the horse, to go to the rail... I really like it when a horse is willing to skim the rail, shows a lot of courage. and determination.

Thoroughbred Fan · #2 07-09-2006, 12:19 AM

I have to think the key to assessing his overall quality is the fact that the dam is a G1 winner and he hass a brother who is 2 for 3 earning 70k+. That means his brother wasn't winning at slouch tracks either. I also heard she has a nice yearling. Sounds like they have found a great broodmare. I am not saying this colt can win the Derby or anything, but he is from a very young and quality mare.

blackthroatedwind · #3 07-09-2006, 12:21 AM

If you believe charts and don't watch races for yourself it is impossible to judge them accurately. He may have had to hesitate some going towards the turn but I would hardly call it a steady. Plus, you claimed he had to steady to find room before getting past the other horses, and that is simply not true.

As far as Bejarano's comments, I suggest you watch the race carefully, as they don't seem wholly reliable. He wanted to get the horse outside ( understandable ) and as he said the horse wanted to go inside and basically he was left with no choice.

Please....just watch the race.

Seattleallstar · #4 07-09-2006, 12:31 AM

this thread is BS, it has turned into one of those threads again.

Gee wheres my ****ing name mentioned with this horse along with numerous others who thought this horse was something.

blackthroatedwind · #5 07-09-2006, 12:37 AM

What's wrong with a critical analysis of the race both visually and relative to the other races run at Churchill Downs on Saturday?

Perhaps more " God wasn't he great " posts would have kept this thread more in line.

I'm just trying to give my analysis of the race today. Sorry if it differs from others. I, for one, just don't buy the hype and see no concrete evidence that I should.

Scurlogue Champ · #6 07-09-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What's wrong with a critical analysis of the race both visually and relative to the other races run at Churchill Downs on Saturday?

Perhaps more " God wasn't he great " posts would have kept this thread more in line.

I'm just trying to give my analysis of the race today. Sorry if it differs from others. I, for one, just don't buy the hype and see no concrete evidence that I should.

I would say that your analysis has been given......repeatedly.

Are you trying to make sure that everyone comes over to your side of the fence, or what???

Beat a dead horse why don't you...

zippyneedsawin · #7 07-09-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If you believe charts and don't watch races for yourself it is impossible to judge them accurately. He may have had to hesitate some going towards the turn but I would hardly call it a steady. Plus, you claimed he had to steady to find room before getting past the other horses, and that is simply not true.

As far as Bejarano's comments, I suggest you watch the race carefully, as they don't seem wholly reliable. He wanted to get the horse outside ( understandable ) and as he said the horse wanted to go inside and basically he was left with no choice.

Please....just watch the race.

Just watched it. I see where he "steadied," and I agree, not much there... it was more of a hesitation as you described it. CQ certainly seemed comfortable coming up the rail. Let's not nick-pick words, but I wasn't making "claims" and didn't say 'steady TO find room', I said "steady and find room." HOWEVER, based on what I saw, CQ wasn't lacking room to get through, he just had to take the rail route to get there. More than anything, CQ showed he's fine dealing with traffic and getting dirt in his face.

blackthroatedwind · #8 07-09-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Just watched it. I see where he "steadied," and I agree, not much there... it was more of a hesitation as you described it. CQ certainly seemed comfortable coming up the rail. Let's not nick-pick words, but I wasn't making "claims" and didn't say 'steady TO find room', I said "steady and find room." HOWEVER, based on what I saw, CQ wasn't lacking room to get through, he just had to take the rail route to get there. More than anything, CQ showed he's fine dealing with traffic and getting dirt in his face.

Thanks for watching. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, and appreciate your efforts, but merely trying to get you to look at it yourself.

He was definitely professional for a second time starter and showed more versatility than you normally see from young horses. I never said he wasn't a talented horse. I just don't agree with people that he so impressive that we should be declaring him the BC Juvie favorite when 95% of the contendors for that race haven't even raced yet.

The good 2YO racing will begin in earnest in a few weeks. Should be fun.

zippyneedsawin · #9 07-09-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thanks for watching. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, and appreciate your efforts, but merely trying to get you to look at it yourself.

He was definitely professional for a second time starter and showed more versatility than you normally see from young horses. I never said he wasn't a talented horse. I just don't agree with people that he so impressive that we should be declaring him the BC Juvie favorite when 95% of the contendors for that race haven't even raced yet.

The good 2YO racing will begin in earnest in a few weeks. Should be fun.

Cool. Absolutely looking forward to more baby races.
After watching the replay again, I'm impressed with how Chace City recovered and finished the race. He ran remarkably well to at least put himself back in the field after that start.

blackthroatedwind · #10 07-09-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Cool. Absolutely looking forward to more baby races.
After watching the replay again, I'm impressed with how Chace City recovered and finished the race. He ran remarkably well to at least put himself back in the field after that start.

I agree about Chace City but it also makes me a little leery about anybody that came from behind in the race.

dellinger63 · #11 07-09-2006, 08:51 AM

I guess this thread is a prime example of why there are mutual pools. We all watched the same race and digested it completely different.
Am I saying BCJ or Derby? No but this colt's performance was spectacular to me simply because of the way he won not anything to do with his time. Find me another 2 yr old who rates the entire race and late, finds a lane on the rail and explodes past the the field and I'll call that one a monster as well. Can't wait to see CQ's next start.

#12 07-09-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

I guess this thread is a prime example of why there are mutual pools. We all watched the same race and digested it completely different.
Am I saying BCJ or Derby? No but this colt's performance was spectacular to me simply because of the way he won not anything to do with his time. Find me another 2 yr old who rates the entire race and late, finds a lane on the rail and explodes past the the field and I'll call that one a monster as well. Can't wait to see CQ's next start.

This horse will be exposed by Pletchers other three year olds, especially the Dogwood one that recently won. In fact I would guess CQ won't be in the Sanford where his two big 2yr olds are expected to run.

sumitas · #13 07-10-2006, 07:02 PM

6 Native Dancers, 3 Raise A Natives...he may have a great career but the breeding odds are stacked against him staying sound.

This breeding may result in some racing success but it doesn nothing to enhance the breed, imo.

ArlJim78 · #14 07-11-2006, 07:02 PM

I know this one has been overly thrashed already, but I just saw this article today and I had to post it. Excerpt from an article on ESPN,

"Circular Quay was bred by Doreen Tabor and is owned by Michael Tabor, the Englishman who won the 1995 Kentucky Derby with Thunder Gulch. In no small part because Thunder Gulch has become a proven sire at longer distances, Tabor's employees and associates who traveled to Churchill for the Bashford Manor, led by Demi O'Byrne, were ecstatic with the results."

It looks like those of us that were gushing about the way he won Saturday were in pretty good company.