Opinions High Finance

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

No thanks. Never beyond 8f and he should get the front...but will have Bluegrass Cat, Bob and John, and Deputy Glitters breathing down his neck the whole way. If he can hold those three off the whole way kudos to him, but he's going to have to beat me

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

No thanks. Never beyond 8f and he should get the front...but will have Bluegrass Cat, Bob and John, and Deputy Glitters breathing down his neck the whole way. If he can hold those three off the whole way kudos to him, but he's going to have to beat me

And me too...

[Exceller]

Horse loves Belmont and his numbers are just as good as Sunrivers. Peaking at the right time. Bob and John snd Sunriver are the only two I think that could beat him. He will be the best value in the race so HF is likely my play.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Horse loves Belmont and his numbers are just as good as Sunrivers. Peaking at the right time. Bob and John snd Sunriver are the only two I think that could beat him. He will be the best value in the race so HF is likely my play.

I like him... I just don't think he'll get a mile and a half.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I like him... I just don't think he'll get a mile and a half.

Strong possibility he won't go that far but if the odds are right I will take a shot.

He is the pace setter and nothing more...should get well clear early, but Bluegrass Cat, Bob and John and Deputy Glitters will be in the second flight stalking him and those three classier colts will overhaul him when they want to...probably approaching the far turn....your winner is likely to come from whoever proves best of that group of three...

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He is the pace setter and nothing more...should get well clear early, but Bluegrass Cat, Bob and John and Deputy Glitters will be in the second flight stalking him and those three classier colts will overhaul him when they want to...probably approaching the far turn....your winner is likely to come from whoever proves best of that group of three...

Impossible to throw Sunriver out. He is the likely winner but will be overbet.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Impossible to throw Sunriver out. He is the likely winner but will be overbet.

That is a BOLD statement considering his stablemate - Bluegrass Cat - has ALWAYS been a faster horse and everybody knows it...I guarantee Johnny V had his choice of mount and you can see who he chose...I'm not discounting SUNRIVER all-in-all because he is improving, but I think 5-2 is far more atrractive on Bluegrass Cat, who has been faster since day one, than 7-2 on Sunriver - only a point higher in the odds...just my opinion bro..

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That is a BOLD statement considering his stablemate - Bluegrass Cat - has ALWAYS been a faster horse and everybody knows it...I guarantee Johnny V had his choice of mount and you can see who he chose...I'm not discounting SUNRIVER all-in-all because he is improving, but I think 5-2 is far more atrractive on Bluegrass Cat, who has been faster since day one, than 7-2 on Sunriver - only a point higher in the odds...just my opinion bro..

Actually most people over the last two months thought Sunriver was the better of the two Pletcher colts. He has a win over the track and he needed his last race after his layoff. I still like High Finance.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Horse loves Belmont and his numbers are just as good as Sunrivers. Peaking at the right time. Bob and John snd Sunriver are the only two I think that could beat him. He will be the best value in the race so HF is likely my play.

Spoken like a true West Point member? Are you a West Point partner Exceller? If so good luck in the race.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Spoken like a true West Point member? Are you a West Point partner Exceller? If so good luck in the race.

I wouldn't tell you if I was, but there are quite a few members out there.

Originally Posted by Exceller

I wouldn't tell you if I was, but there are quite a few members out there.

Yeah I know, its pretty funny. You run into 15 people on a given day during Saratoga who tell you that "their" horse is running tomorrow, and when you ask who, they tell you the same horse all the others said, lol.
I don't think that they are taking an unreasonable shot here. Its tuly a wide open race and the Derby also rans who are running didn't earn very good sheet numbers that day. I guess I'm not seeing in Bluegrass Cat, Stepp, and Bob and John, and Deputy Glitters what the rest of you are seeing. I only see horses. Sunrivers last was very unimpressive, very slow race and life and death to beat a horse who isnt a whole lot.
I see no reason why an allowance horse couldnt get lucky with a good trip or good ride, especially one who is already stabled at Belmont and will be running on his home track. Belmont is a quirky track to race on, so having a win over it already is a big edge.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know, its pretty funny. You run into 15 people on a given day during Saratoga who tell you that "their" horse is running tomorrow, and when you ask who, they tell you the same horse all the others said, lol.
I don't think that they are taking an unreasonable shot here. Its tuly a wide open race and the Derby also rans who are running didn't earn very good sheet numbers that day. I guess I'm not seeing in Bluegrass Cat, Stepp, and Bob and John, and Deputy Glitters what the rest of you are seeing. I only see horses. Sunrivers last was very unimpressive, very slow race and life and death to beat a horse who isnt a whole lot.
I see no reason why an allowance horse couldnt get lucky with a good trip or good ride, especially one who is already stabled at Belmont and will be running on his home track. Belmont is a quirky track to race on, so having a win over it already is a big edge.

Sadly, I have nothing to do with this one.

I guess I'm not seeing in Bluegrass Cat, Stepp, Bob and John, and Deputy Glitters what the rest of you are seeing. I only see horses. Sunrivers last was very unimpressive, very slow race and life and death to beat a horse who isnt a whole lot.
I see no reason why an allowance horse couldnt get lucky with a good trip or good ride, especially one who is already stabled at Belmont and will be running on his home track. Belmont is a quirky track to race on, so having a win over it already is a big edge.


your post makes little sense, first you knock the two that have won on the track, then you say having a win on it is a big edge,
???? bipolar vision ??

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know, its pretty funny. You run into 15 people on a given day during Saratoga who tell you that "their" horse is running tomorrow, and when you ask who, they tell you the same horse all the others said, lol.
I don't think that they are taking an unreasonable shot here. Its tuly a wide open race and the Derby also rans who are running didn't earn very good sheet numbers that day. I guess I'm not seeing in Bluegrass Cat, Stepp, and Bob and John, and Deputy Glitters what the rest of you are seeing. I only see horses. Sunrivers last was very unimpressive, very slow race and life and death to beat a horse who isnt a whole lot.
I see no reason why an allowance horse couldnt get lucky with a good trip or good ride, especially one who is already stabled at Belmont and will be running on his home track. Belmont is a quirky track to race on, so having a win over it already is a big edge.

So in otherwords, you aren't holding Sunriver's ding-ding in this race?

IMO-SR is going to bounce which is why I am not going to play him. B&J reminds me of Birdstone. He just keeps running and running. Whether he is fast enough, we shall see. If SR doesn't bounce, I will be the first to say "WHOOPSIE!"

[KonaNative]

Bob and John should get the lead and hold it most of the way.
High Finance could steal the race late. I believe he has a legitimate shot at the win and I will have him in my Super box with Hemingway's Key..Sacred Light..Bluegrass Cat. At least for now,it's still early.

Originally Posted by KonaNative

Bob and John should get the lead and hold it most of the way.
High Finance could steal the race late.

I guarantee you that High Finance will be the pacesetter..he led his last two starts around one turn and will definately carve out the fractions stretching out around two-turns at 1 1/2-miles....no doubt about it here...Bob and John will be a stalker most likely along side Bluegrass Cat and maybe Depty Glitters..

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I guarantee you that High Finance will be the pacesetter..he led his last two starts around one turn and will definately carve out the fractions stretching out around two-turns at 1 1/2-miles....no doubt about it here...Bob and John will be a stalker most likely along side Bluegrass Cat and maybe Depty Glitters..

You are probably right. I just root for all of the WP horses.

[KonaNative]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I guarantee you that High Finance will be the pacesetter..he led his last two starts around one turn and will definately carve out the fractions stretching out around two-turns at 1 1/2-miles....no doubt about it here...Bob and John will be a stalker most likely along side Bluegrass Cat and maybe Depty Glitters..

I was using and old Dos software for my first look at the Belmont. It has B&J on the lead about two lengths ahead of BGC at the first call, High Finance is about 7 lengths behind.
Granted it is an old program but it is still fairly accurate.
However if what you say is true and High Finance attempts to take the lead from B&J then they are both toast. Out with H F and in with Steppenwolfer.

Originally Posted by KonaNative

I was using and old Dos software for my first look at the Belmont. It has B&J on the lead about two lengths ahead of BGC at the first call, High Finance is about 7 lengths behind.
Granted it is an old program but it is still fairly accurate.
However if what you say is true and High Finance attempts to take the lead from B&J then they are both toast. Out with H F and in with Steppenwolfer.

I am almost CERTAIN High Finance will be your pacesetter...he has sprinter's speed and has run his best races dictating the pace....plus, I believe his connections feel like the only way they'll be effective is to attempt to put him on a clear early lead and hope he can slow it down and kick on (or steal it to be frank).....he'll be on the early lead...book it....If he lays 7-lengths off of it he has ZERO chance to win or even hit the board IMO..I still don't think he can handle this bunch yet and will ONLY set the pace and fade to the rear.