Where does RTR belong in history?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Winning Colors?

Fair enough. I'd say arguably yes. Same with Genuine Risk. But just arguably. Neither beat colts off the trip R2R had.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Fair enough. I'd say arguably yes. Same with Genuine Risk. But just arguably. Neither beat colts off the trip R2R had.

Winning Colors destroyed colts in ths SA Derby and beat a top group of 3 yo's pretty handily in the Derby. No comparison really.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Winning Colors destroyed colts in ths SA Derby and beat a top group of 3 yo's pretty handily in the Derby. No comparison really.

Well, Winning Colors barely held on in the Derby but that was her second grade one win vs colts.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, Winning Colors barely held on in the Derby but that was her second grade one win vs colts.

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

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[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

Risen Star was fairly average though. I'd take 1/5 on the Hungarian stud.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

And for the sake of accuracy, Kincsem ran her first 6 races in Germany, by this time she had run in four different countries!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

And for the sake of accuracy, Kincsem ran her first 6 races in Germany, by this time she had run in four different countries!

Do you have any of the pp's ? What about her sheet #'s? LOL I could just go on and on....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you have any of the pp's ? What about her sheet #'s? LOL I could just go on and on....

yeah, but they weren't called sheets back then...i think it was called 'skins'....or maybe even papyrus!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you have any of the pp's ? What about her sheet #'s? LOL I could just go on and on....

http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com...es/kincsem.htm
As you know, Europe doesn't use DRF type PP's, nor do they rely on sheet #'s because of the differences in surfaces...here is a record of her 54 wins with final margains.