Where does RTR belong in history?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

Winning Colors?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

Maybe not Personal Ensign

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Danzig

genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

Accomplished as much? yes. More? no.

That's my point.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe not Personal Ensign

i just think she was better at two, and came back from a tough injury.


and yeah, risk accomplished more. won the derby, second in the preakness and belmont.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Winning Colors?

definitely!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

Obviously she has a nice little resume but she has to do a lot more for her to be mentioned with many of the all-time greats who we can judge based upon their entire careers.

I know its hard to believe but a 3 time Grade 1 winning filly is not that rare.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Winning Colors?

Fair enough. I'd say arguably yes. Same with Genuine Risk. But just arguably. Neither beat colts off the trip R2R had.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Fair enough. I'd say arguably yes. Same with Genuine Risk. But just arguably. Neither beat colts off the trip R2R had.

Winning Colors destroyed colts in ths SA Derby and beat a top group of 3 yo's pretty handily in the Derby. No comparison really.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obviously she has a nice little resume but she has to do a lot more for her to be mentioned with many of the all-time greats who we can judge based upon their entire careers.

I know its hard to believe but a 3 time Grade 1 winning filly is not that rare.

Thanks for the lesson. I just learned yesterday they have been running grade 1 races for a while.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

Personal Ensign probably hadn't started yet as a 3YO at this time. And, she didn't accomplish nearly as much until she was 4.

And I say that as a huge fan.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Winning Colors destroyed colts in ths SA Derby and beat a top group of 3 yo's pretty handily in the Derby. No comparison really.

Well, Winning Colors barely held on in the Derby but that was her second grade one win vs colts.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Thanks for the lesson. I just learned yesterday they have been running grade 1 races for a while.

Well anyone who think RTR has accomplished more at this point in her career than Winning Colors may need a little help.

btw-Winning Colors managed to squeeze in the Santa Anita Oaks too

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just think she was better at two, and came back from a tough injury.


and yeah, risk accomplished more. won the derby, second in the preakness and belmont.

Actually while she won the Frizette at 2 in her only meaningful race, though her maiden win was exceptional, she did it in a three horse field against the very average Collins....though she may have injured herself in that race.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually while she won the Frizette at 2 in her only meaningful race, though her maiden win was exceptional, she did it in a three horse field against the very average Collins....though she may have injured herself in that race.

still amazing to think that she came back from an injury of that magnitude, and kept such form! man, she was something.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, Winning Colors barely held on in the Derby but that was her second grade one win vs colts.

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

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[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm pretty sure that Forty Niner was at least as good a quality of horse as was found in 19th century Hungary

Risen Star was fairly average though. I'd take 1/5 on the Hungarian stud.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

I know I'll catch hell for this but by this time in her 3yo campaign, Kincsem had won 16 races (16-16 of course) many against the boys while giving them weight...her last win being by 10 lengths at 2 miles.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well anyone who think RTR has accomplished more at this point in her career than Winning Colors may need a little help.

btw-Winning Colors managed to squeeze in the Santa Anita Oaks too

Well, we all can use a little help now and then. Act accordingly.