Race Fixing Debate

I see races where I get angry and know that something was up, but I don't know that fixed applies. Funny I should read this post today after the tantrum I threw yesterday talking about a race that STANK!!!!!!!!!!! CD is one track I don't trust, just like your buddy, I see a lot game playing and it stinks.
Yesterday they have a 1 3/8 MSW on the turf for colts. So I look at the race and make out a pik-3 that started in the race before that one. They open the betting for the race and Byrne's horse opens shjhockingly at 2-1. I knew I was dead right there. This horse should have been 20-1, not 2-1. Two starts in Europe, one on grass, both at lower ecelon tracks and both races tragic. Two starts in USA on dirt, beaten about 65 lengths in those races. No lasix change, no blinker change, no trainer change, nothing. Just back on grass. Horse makes a ridiculously loose lead(despite the fact that at least two horses should have been ahead of him, especially with those fractions) and wins by about 6. No please, whos kidding who. Its nonsense and if you want to tell me that race was on the level I have some real estate in the everglades to sell you. I mean after the race you can always say well leparoux was riding him and he was by Dynaformer but please, who was his sire when he got beat 100 lengths in 4 starts before? Including a grass start. Did they change sires? Please, that race was as phony as a 3 dollar bill and for that horse to open at 2-1 and go off 4-1 was a joke. And then they just give the horse a lead that loose in fractions that slow. yeah, ok, sure. File that one under the very suspicious race department. If I was a steward a lot of folks would have been called into my office on that one.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I see races where I get angry and know that something was up, but I don't know that fixed applies. Funny I should read this post today after the tantrum I threw yesterday talking about a race that STANK!!!!!!!!!!! CD is one track I don't trust, just like your buddy, I see a lot game playing and it stinks.
Yesterday they have a 1 3/8 MSW on the turf for colts. So I look at the race and make out a pik-3 that started in the race before that one. They open the betting for the race and Byrne's horse opens shjhockingly at 2-1. I knew I was dead right there. This horse should have been 20-1, not 2-1. Two starts in Europe, one on grass, both at lower ecelon tracks and both races tragic. Two starts in USA on dirt, beaten about 65 lengths in those races. No lasix change, no blinker change, no trainer change, nothing. Just back on grass. Horse makes a ridiculously loose lead(despite the fact that at least two horses should have been ahead of him, especially with those fractions) and wins by about 6. No please, whos kidding who. Its nonsense and if you want to tell me that race was on the level I have some real estate in the everglades to sell you. I mean after the race you can always say well leparoux was riding him and he was by Dynaformer but please, who was his sire when he got beat 100 lengths in 4 starts before? Including a grass start. Did they change sires? Please, that race was as phony as a 3 dollar bill and for that horse to open at 2-1 and go off 4-1 was a joke. And then they just give the horse a lead that loose in fractions that slow. yeah, ok, sure. File that one under the very suspicious race department. If I was a steward a lot of folks would have been called into my office on that one.

Couldnt have said it better myself. That race was totally off. But oh well...what can u do. Horse racing survives by taking advantage of the bettor.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Couldnt have said it better myself. That race was totally off. But oh well...what can u do. Horse racing survives by taking advantage of the bettor.

That race was more than off, that race was professional wrestling on a grass course. There was a script and everyone knew who was gonna win before it went off.

[PeteMugg]

Early money. Legit or not, early money.

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Early money. Legit or not, early money.

It wasnt legit and it wasnt just early money, it was in between and late money as well. Look at those pp's and tell me how that horse could possibly go off that price, make the loose lead that slow, and win by that many. No way, no how, uh uh. Noone even tried to bother him in those fractions. Phony race.

[PeteMugg]

Mike, I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying it's something I always watch. Many times it's a longshot I don't consider and the odds often climb back up a bit. Worth noting.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Couldnt have said it better myself. That race was totally off. But oh well...what can u do. Horse racing survives by taking advantage of the bettor.

Oddly enough, the 1 Raydiation was one of only 3 horses I liked in this race, partly on pedigree grounds. Sire Dynaformer, nuf said, and his Argentine mum gave him the stamina he needed to keep on.He was one of the few horses in the race who wasn't likely to start gasping for breath at the quarter-pole. Unfortunately for me, I lumped on the one of the 3 who didn't finish in the exacta - Mercatus (who is out of a half-sister to Derby winner St. Jovite).