Rags to Riches confirmed for Belmont

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

I love you too!

I guess he's really moody today. Oh well.

[Payson Dave]

Hey fpsox,
Can a very good baseball player go into a slump where he is not hitting the ball as well as his historical average suggests he can???

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Hey fpsox,
Can a very good baseball player go into a slump where he is not hitting the ball as well as his historical average suggests he can???

Certainly......But I'm talking about Johnny V's stats and earnings for the year.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Certainly......But I'm talking about Johnny V's stats and earnings for the year.

and BTW and others are talking about his performance "lately"....apples and oranges...why pick a fight??

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

and BTW and others are talking about his performance "lately"....apples and oranges...why pick a fight??

You obviously have not been reading much. Get the facts...read his original post...then read my original post....then what he wrote back....and then make an informed post about who's picking a fight.

[Antitrust32]

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[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

You obviously have not been reading much. Get the facts...read his original post...then read my original post....then what he wrote back....and then make an informed post about who's picking a fight.

I sure don't see where AS referred to JV as a bum...and I did reread the post and I still think that in context it is apples and oranges and that it is you that is looking for a "fight".

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

I sure don't see where AS referred to JV as a bum...and I did reread the post and I still think that in context it is apples and oranges and that it is you that is looking for a "fight".

OK....So let's say he meant to say lately. And let's just say [b]Lately means...say....The Belmont Meet.[b]

John Velazquez-Belmont Park Stats

Starts: 96 Wins: 21 Place: 16 Show: 14

Win %: 22% Currently 1st

In the Money %: 53% Currently 2nd

So if stating FACTS is PICKING a FIGHT.......then so be it. But I love
when people like you and some of the others can't just say you know....he's right.....and be a man and move on. But the stats listed above aren't too bad for a guy who's riding bad lately.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Certainly......But I'm talking about Johnny V's stats and earnings for the year.

Therin lies the problem. You were talking about his stats for the year and Andy is talking about his recent riding at Belmont (not Gulfstream or Keeneland).

Apples and Oranges.

Let's look at the current Belmont stats broken down over distance and surface. Johnny V has okay (historically for him) stats on turf (18% wins) and an excellent dirt routes (26% wins). In dirt sprints, he is 4 for 30 (13.33% well below his win average for the year). Most of the cheaper races are sprints, a rider is also required to make split second decisions in sprints (whether to go for a hole that may or may not be opening, dive to the rail, etc..) and even a slightly bad trip can cause momentum loss and the loss of the race. Johnny's interest and his derring-do don't seem to be there in the cheaper races and most of them are sprints and that may explain is abysmal (for him) dirt sprint record so far this meet.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Therin lies the problem. You were talking about his stats for the year and Andy is talking about his recent riding at Belmont (not Gulfstream or Keeneland).

Apples and Oranges.

Let's look at the current Belmont stats broken down over distance and surface. Johnny V has okay (historically for him) stats on turf (18% wins) and an excellent dirt routes (26% wins). In dirt sprints, he is 4 for 30 (13.33% well below his win average for the year). Most of the cheaper races are sprints, a rider is also required to make split second decisions in sprints (whether to go for a hole that may or may not be opening, dive to the rail, etc..) and even a slightly bad trip can cause momentum loss and the loss of the race. Johnny's interest and his derring-do don't seem to be there in the cheaper races and most of them are sprints and that may explain is abysmal (for him) dirt sprint record so far this meet.

Come on bigs, you know logic is not allowed here!

[blackthroatedwind]

Here's one, off the top of my head, where a mediocre ride by Johnny clearly cost him the victory......May 23rd, the 6th at Belmont. Somewhat ironically, both Garrett Gomez and Kent Desourmeaux who both gave terrific rides, were the beneficiaries.

Try to pull up the replay.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here's one, off the top of my head, where a mediocre ride by Johnny clearly cost him the victory......May 23rd, the 6th at Belmont. Somewhat ironically, both Garrett Gomez and Kent Desourmeaux who both gave terrific rides, were the beneficiaries.

Try to pull up the replay.

No doubt that was a terrible ride. Needlessly wide. Where's Trakus for verification? And I agree that JV is not exactly at the top of his game.

Let me ask you a ? since you've watched the race. Does Sensational Humour win with Port Royal's trip? There's no debating, IMO, that the winner was 3rd best.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt that was a terrible ride. Needlessly wide. Where's Trakus for verification?

Let me ask you a ? since you've watched the race. Does Sensational Humour win with Port Royal's trip?

Sensational Humour would have been lucky to have been a fairly well beaten third.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here's one, off the top of my head, where a mediocre ride by Johnny clearly cost him the victory......May 23rd, the 6th at Belmont. Somewhat ironically, both Garrett Gomez and Kent Desourmeaux who both gave terrific rides, were the beneficiaries.

Try to pull up the replay.

I don't even have to find the replay to remember that one. Blazing Dynamo gets the win under Desormeaux and Gomez rode Sensational Humor beautifully. He swung him out and looked like he was going to get there and of course, since I was all over him, he came up a bit short. That day was made even better by my narrow defeat on Summer Doldrums a race later.

Either way, the point is Gomez and Kent D. both rode great races there.

NT

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Therin lies the problem. You were talking about his stats for the year and Andy is talking about his recent riding at Belmont (not Gulfstream or Keeneland).

Apples and Oranges.

Let's look at the current Belmont stats broken down over distance and surface. Johnny V has okay (historically for him) stats on turf (18% wins) and an excellent dirt routes (26% wins). In dirt sprints, he is 4 for 30 (13.33% well below his win average for the year). Most of the cheaper races are sprints, a rider is also required to make split second decisions in sprints (whether to go for a hole that may or may not be opening, dive to the rail, etc..) and even a slightly bad trip can cause momentum loss and the loss of the race. Johnny's interest and his derring-do don't seem to be there in the cheaper races and most of them are sprints and that may explain is abysmal (for him) dirt sprint record so far this meet.

Well Mr. Apple and Orange...Had you read...which you didn't....take a look at the original post that I responded to. He said nothing about lately or
recent If Johnny V. is a bum, then don't bet him. I'm still looking at the facts that have been provided for me. Facts are one thing...Opinions are another. Have you or your buddy BTW ridden a horse in a race? Was there maybe a reason for a poor ride? I've watched some horrible rides by plenty of good jockeys, but I'll bet them back again if they are on a horse I like.

[SentToStud]

[quote=fpsoxfan]Well Mr. Apple and Orange...QUOTE]

Guess that makes me Mr. Pink. Why the F do I always have to be Mr. Pink?

[Danzig]

[quote=SentToStud]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Well Mr. Apple and Orange...QUOTE]

Guess that makes me Mr. Pink. Why the F do I always have to be Mr. Pink?

pink like the lips of your lover.....

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I guess he's really moody today. Oh well.

Oh God.


This is too fun.


Mr.SoxDryer......I believe Mr. Serling could shred you posthumously if necessary.







Give it up sir.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Oh God.


This is too fun.


Mr.SoxDryer......I believe Mr. Serling could shred you posthumously if necessary.







Give it up sir.

Oh goodness...Now I've got you on my case. Where's the rope?
Andy is one of the best..no question and I'm looking forward to seeing him and many others at the Spa. This is just a tiny pi**ing match which I'm going to give up now. I've said my piece. I will agree to disagree. Thanks for the vote of confidence though Morty. It comes at a real good time.

[10 pnt move up]

If I was Johnny I would have one eye on the track and one eye on the rear view mirror because the sharks are circling.

Still though he has a long ways to catch Kent's riding in my estimation. At least Jonny is not an *******.