Rags to Riches confirmed for Belmont

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Well, #1 Sir.....I have a job, but I do watch replays from Belmont on most nights. #2. I don't have a job in the summer so I'm at Saratoga where I've seen him do nothing but win...and not just on Pletcher's horses.

It's funny how when many people on here want people to back up their points with facts and then they do......well then suddenly the facts Lie?
Really? Wow? He did all of that in 6 months, but he sucks lately?
I suppose you say the same about any jockey whose had a rough couple of weeks?

So let me get this straight, you don't follow the game because you have a job, therefore it's OK to argue my points without a true understanding of the situation?

When did I talk about Saratoga? I am talking about his riding this year....and particularly recently.

The " facts " are that people who are paying careful attention to the game, and particularly Johnny's riding, are in agreement that it has been sub-par ( especially for him ). One of the posters agreeing with me recently hit two five figure Pick-6s. I can't speak for ArlJim, who also agreed that Johnny has not been riding well, but I'm having a pretty good year at the windows. I believe I recently saw a post of yours claiming you were doing poorly in 2007. Perhaps you might want to take into account who stands on more solid ground in this discussion.

What, out of curiosity is his ROI this year? How about his ROI at Belmont?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So let me get this straight, you don't follow the game because you have a job, therefore it's OK to argue my points without a true understanding of the situation?

When did I talk about Saratoga? I am talking about his riding this year....and particularly recently.

The " facts " are that people who are paying careful attention to the game, and particularly Johnny's riding, are in agreement that it has been sub-par ( especially for him ). One of the posters agreeing with me recently hit two five figure Pick-6s. I can't speak for ArlJim, who also agreed that Johnny has not been riding well, but I'm having a pretty good year at the windows. I believe I recently saw a post of yours claiming you were doing poorly in 2007. Perhaps you might want to take into account who stands on more solid ground in this discussion.
What, out of curiosity is his ROI this year? How about his ROI at Belmont?

Oh, Come on BTW, can you start making some sense. You are going to play the "FPSOXFAN is a lowly degenerate gambler because he hasn't hit a Pick-6
Card"????? I thought you were better than that. Andy, you are better than that. I'm just trying to stick up for a guy, whose done nothing but win on horses. He's had some tough rides, but c'mon, let the facts stick for themselves and let's stay away from this Hierarchy of Posters argument you are trying to make. It's quite juvenile.

Even though I don't know a freaking thing about racing I would take Johnny V. over any of the top 5 jockeys any day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Oh, Come on BTW, can you start making some sense. You are going to play the "FPSOXFAN is a lowly degenerate gambler because he hasn't hit a Pick-6
Card"????? I thought you were better than that. Andy, you are better than that. I'm just trying to stick up for a guy, whose done nothing but win on horses. He's had some tough rides, but c'mon, let the facts stick for themselves and let's stay away from this Hierarchy of Posters argument you are trying to make. It's quite juvenile.

Even though I don't know a freaking thing about racing I would take Johnny V. over any of the top 5 jockeys any day.

Twisting what is being said to make yourself look like a victim doesn't work with me....or anybody paying attention. Insulting yourself in some feeble attempt to make it appear as though I implied or said those things is pathetic.

Once again, everybody paying careful attention to the racing in NY knows John Velasquez has not been riding as well as he is capable of. You have admitted to not following the game closely. Others are following it more closely than you. You dove into this argument and are now looking for unwarranted sympathy because the waters are too deep.

No thanks. Have a good one.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Twisting what is being said to make yourself look like a victim doesn't work with me....or anybody paying attention. Insulting yourself in some feeble attempt to make it appear as though I implied or said those things is pathetic.

Once again, everybody paying careful attention to the racing in NY knows John Velasquez has not been riding as well as he is capable of. You have admitted to not following the game closely. Others are following it more closely than you. You dove into this argument and are now looking for unwarranted sympathy because the waters are too deep.

No thanks. Have a good one.

What ever you say, MY LORD........But it is you....that has gotten himself in too deep.

By the way Johnny V.......Win % = 23%

Not too SHABBY. But then again, I'm just a lowly servent on the DT hierarchy. Get a clue.

[Payson Dave]

Nobody is saying that JV is not a good jock...however even good jocks go thru times when they are not riding as well as they normally do...

[Buffymommy]

Don't make me pull out the "BE NICE" on you two. But atleast you aren't calling each other NASTY names.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Don't make me pull out the "BE NICE" on you two. But atleast you aren't calling each other NASTY names.

Here's an idea....make one post that isn't idiotic.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here's an idea....make one post that isn't idiotic.

I love you too!

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Don't make me pull out the "BE NICE" on you two. But atleast you aren't calling each other NASTY names.

I'm thinking some pretty nasty thoughts, however.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What, out of curiosity is his ROI this year? How about his ROI at Belmont?

This is what I was curious about, too, half way through this discussion!

--Dunbar

[GPK]

and as I am sure my opinion is of great value here....I don't think JV has been riding well of late either...although he did stick it to me with Logic Way about a week and half ago...

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by GPK

and as I am sure my opinion is of great value here....I don't JV has been riding well of late either...although he did stick it to me with Logic Way about a week and half ago...

GPK...I read your post and Andy's with great interest all of the time. I've been better at being careful about saying things that are going to get me blasted, but can't we all complain about a jock who's gone through a rough streak. I've seen people blast Desormeaux on here over and over, and he can certainly be a headcase, but he's turned in some super rides. The problem is I won't defend him because unless you hit a pick-6, write for a magazine, wear a dunce cap, or whatever all you can do is read on here. I was just stating facts. That's all!!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

GPK...I read your post and Andy's with great interest all of the time. I've been better at being careful about saying things that are going to get me blasted, but can't we all complain about a jock who's gone through a rough streak. I've seen people blast Desormeaux on here over and over, and he can certainly be a headcase, but he's turned in some super rides. The problem is I won't defend him because unless you hit a pick-6, write for a magazine, wear a dunce cap, or whatever all you can do is read on here. I was just stating facts. That's all!!

I promise you, I am far from being in any position whatsoever to judge other peoples opinions on horse racing...and even if I was, it's not my style. I think there are alot of people on here that have many things we can learn from and God knows I need to learn tons more about this game.

This isn't directed at you whatsoever, but I think alot of us tend to forget...this is just the internet. As many wonderful friends that I have made on this board, Im just not the kind of person that is gonna get upset about what someone may think or say about me (unless it is being labled a racist ).

Well...I take that back...my world revolves around what Bethani thinks about me

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

GPK...I read your post and Andy's with great interest all of the time. I've been better at being careful about saying things that are going to get me blasted, but can't we all complain about a jock who's gone through a rough streak. I've seen people blast Desormeaux on here over and over, and he can certainly be a headcase, but he's turned in some super rides. The problem is I won't defend him because unless you hit a pick-6, write for a magazine, wear a dunce cap, or whatever all you can do is read on here. I was just stating facts. That's all!!

I wouldn't worry all that much about what anyone writes in reply to your thoughts. It ain't as if it's the Battle of Thermoplyae. I've had four straigt winning days, so I can say that. As an aside, I watch all the Belmont races and I've seen John V in better form. He's winning on the best horse but that's about it. Last year, he was making incredible mid-race decisions on rides that made a huge difference. Maybe he's hurting. As an aside #2, I feel pretty good about game 2 of the Marlins-Braves doubleheader going Over 9 runs. Just thought I'd toss in a bonus there.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I wouldn't worry all that much about what anyone writes in reply to your thoughts. It ain't as if it's the Battle of Thermoplyae. I've had four straigt winning days, so I can say that. As an aside, I watch all the Belmont races and I've seen John V in better form. He's winning on the best horse but that's about it. Last year, he was making incredible mid-race decisions on rides that made a huge difference. Maybe he's hurting. As an aside #2, I feel pretty good about game 2 of the Marlins-Braves doubleheader going Over 9 runs. Just thought I'd toss in a bonus there.

Now you and your son Scav can go pro together....

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by GPK

Now you and your son Scav can go pro together....

Is it true he has his own bobblehead doll out?

When Scav and I do get together, some damage is going to occur.

[Bobby Fischer]

Johnny V is a good judge of pace, moreso when he is near the front. He isn't a liability from off the pace. One of the best jockeys. First call for Pletch.

I think it is more of a loss of Slew's Tizzy than a direct gain for R2R.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Johnny V is a good judge of pace, moreso when he is near the front. He isn't a liability from off the pace. One of the best jockeys. First call for Pletch.

I think it is more of a loss of Slew's Tizzy than a direct gain for R2R.

Bejarano got the ride on Slew's Tizzy.