what is up with roman??

[Danzig]

small field, chance for a payday, it's not like the horse will be in physical danger, altho getting his ass handed to him may not help mentally....
don't understand it, i wouldn't do it, but it could always be worse...

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Danzig

small field, chance for a payday, it's not like the horse will be in physical danger, altho getting his ass handed to him may not help mentally....
don't understand it, i wouldn't do it, but it could always be worse...

That's not really the problem -- the problem is Roman and his stated intentions. It's not about his horse. It's more about what he has inferred or potentially he might do to other horses.

This is an aside to the comments directed toward Tafel, Nafzger et al. I found this offensive and insulting.

Eric

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ELA

That's not really the problem -- the problem is Roman and his stated intentions. It's not about his horse. It's more about what he has inferred or potentially he might do to other horses.

This is an aside to the comments directed toward Tafel, Nafzger et al. I found this offensive and insulting.

Eric

yeah, i know, the whole thing is whacky....if you just consider, as i did above, the affect on the horse (since some thought there was a safety issue), i don't see a reason to be worried.

BUT...his comments since deciding to enter--and his efforts to get borel or pino, well it just doesn't make sense to me, or many others for that matter! can't help but wonder exactly what his agenda is here.

ego a part? probably...
i just don't see why he's going to offer his horse up as some sort of sacrifice for whatever it is he's trying to prove. that is what i have a problem with.

altho i'm disappointed that street sense skipped the race, i can't say that i'm surprised. i doubt anyone is. it's what this sport has become for the most part, which is a shame. but i don't get what roman is trying to accomplish here.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i know, the whole thing is whacky....if you just consider, as i did above, the affect on the horse (since some thought there was a safety issue), i don't see a reason to be worried.

BUT...his comments since deciding to enter--and his efforts to get borel or pino, well it just doesn't make sense to me, or many others for that matter! can't help but wonder exactly what his agenda is here.

ego a part? probably...
i just don't see why he's going to offer his horse up as some sort of sacrifice for whatever it is he's trying to prove. that is what i have a problem with.

altho i'm disappointed that street sense skipped the race, i can't say that i'm surprised. i doubt anyone is. it's what this sport has become for the most part, which is a shame. but i don't get what roman is trying to accomplish here.

OK, that's fine, however, I immediately looked beyond the horse and looked at Roman's stated intentions.

This is outlandish.

Whatever Roman may be trying to accomplish -- running the horse, not running the horse -- is a fallacious arguement. It distracts from the real danger and real concerns -- his stated intentions.

Eric

[theiman]

Originally Posted by ELA

OK, that's fine, however, I immediately looked beyond the horse and looked at Roman's stated intentions.

This is outlandish.

Whatever Roman may be trying to accomplish -- running the horse, not running the horse -- is a fallacious arguement. It distracts from the real danger and real concerns -- his stated intentions.

Eric

Explain to me what you think is the danger of him running this horse in the Belmont.

As for what he might be trying to accomplish, a chance of a lifetime to race in a Grade 1 race at his favorite T-Bred track and hopefully pick up part of the purse.

He is the guy who gave back, supposedly over $1M on the sale of his horse Lawrence The Roman after he performed bad at the Big A this winter.
Name someone else with that integrity in this cut throat sport.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by theiman

Explain to me what you think is the danger of him running this horse in the Belmont.

As for what he might be trying to accomplish, a chance of a lifetime to race in a Grade 1 race at his favorite T-Bred track and hopefully pick up part of the purse.

He is the guy who gave back, supposedly over $1M on the sale of his horse Lawrence The Roman after he performed bad at the Big A this winter.
Name someone else with that integrity in this cut throat sport.

Your points about what Roman has done in the past, are irrelevant here -- in this case and on this issue. It is not about integrity -- it is about motive and intent, which Roman himself stated, not you might I add. You appear to be blindly defending a friend, and I respect that. However, in doing that you turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the real issue at hand.

Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. There was also commentary that Hard Spun should "watch out" or something along those lines.

He wants to run his horse -- great. Beat the field fair and square -- great. But what about costing another horse the race -- when taken in the context that you admit you really don't stand a chance?

Your blind support of a friend is superceding your common sense.

Eric

[JDank34]

this is lunacy by Roman...Borel in no way, shape or form will jeopardize his relationship with Carl Nafzger for a mere 10,000 to ride for an owner and trainer that he will never ride for again.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by ELA

Your points about what Roman has done in the past, are irrelevant here -- in this case and on this issue. It is not about integrity -- it is about motive and intent, which Roman himself stated, not you might I add. You appear to be blindly defending a friend, and I respect that. However, in doing that you turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the real issue at hand.

Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. There was also commentary that Hard Spun should "watch out" or something along those lines.

He wants to run his horse -- great. Beat the field fair and square -- great. But what about costing another horse the race -- when taken in the context that you admit you really don't stand a chance?

Your blind support of a friend is superceding your common sense.

Eric

How does he cost another horse the race?

Doesnt a rabbit, as part of an entry, also cost another horse a race? Havent they been part of racing since racing has been around.

What about the job they did on Cigar at DM, didnt that cost him the race? There were horses literally crawling in that race on the last turn.

If the horse isnt sound than I agree. However, every day I see sprint races with 12 horse fields and horses who cant run more than 2F race out to the lead and then back through the field. Isnt that the same "Dangerous" analogy implied here? Those horses that cant make a 6F race alter the course of those races too? Yet we dont see complaints about that?

Each year arent there about 10 horses in the KY Derby that have no chance and lose by over 25 lengths, the same horses are backing through the field as you anticipate Romans horse too. Yet they allow 20 starters in that race.

I am a long time friend of Larry's, although since moving to California I havent seen him in aboout 15 years. But as a fan of racing, if someone else had done the same I would support them the same. I would rather support Larry for racing than anyone who retires these horses way too soon.