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Old 06-03-2007, 10:12 AM
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Whatever I decide to go with for a speed figure, and the Beyer is definitely in the ballpark, the pace figure will be much lower, about 16 points. In other words, the race was over very early.

I don't think anyone needed numbers to know that.
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:56 PM
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Whatever I decide to go with for a speed figure, and the Beyer is definitely in the ballpark, the pace figure will be much lower, about 16 points. In other words, the race was over very early.

I don't think anyone needed numbers to know that.
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:08 AM
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Fabulous Strike ran fast but still hasn't won off anything close to a contested pace.

You'll never see a horse get a softer pace trip than he did this weekend.
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:28 AM
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I agree that he won with yet another smoke and mirrors kind of trip.....but what more could he have done? It's his 4th straight stakes win, all with his ears pricked while never asked.

He is a tactically gifted horse...but like you say....he may not look like the greatest thing since sliced bread if he gets hooked by a couple inferior speed balls and is softened.
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:55 AM
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I will make the argument that FS was at best the co-most impressive 6f winner at CD last week, and probably only second best.
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:41 AM
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I like the horse. A lot. They've run thousands (tens of thousands?) of 6f races at Churchill and his is among the handful or less of fastest ever. And he can only beat what's thrown his way.

I'm looking forward to the Smile. I'd like to see him draw inside and take pace pressure. So far, he's run admirably when doing so but no more than just that. Personally, I'll be hoping he does so.
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:00 AM
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I will make the argument that FS was at best the co-most impressive 6f winner at CD last week, and probably only second best.
I'm assuming you're talking about the two horses off of the 2nd and 3rd place finish to Go Bucky Go, who ran 111 and 110 Beyers at CD on Wednesday.

Really, with the kind of trip FS got---and knowing what kind of figures he has on the go back---there's almost nothing he could have done to be "impressive" when the race is put under the microscope.

He certainly has something in common with Street Sense---in that they've both managed to get four superb trips in a row (over a natural dirt surface in SS's case) and that is flat out rare....and as you know, the quality of competiton you get the trips against is something that is GIGANTICALLY overrated.

Consensus division leader Smokey Stover, had a dramatic string of bad luck comparable to the run of good luck that horses like SS and FS have been having. He was losing races against lesser horses at tracks like Turf Paradice and to a couple moderate horses in alw races at Del Mar.

When they finally put him in much tougher races, and he hooked some of the best sprinters in the country---he beat them because he simply didn't have the same kind of horrible trips he kept getting against much lesser horses.

I realize you know this...but I'm only saying this so the silly comments about class---and the silly comments about "good horses always have good trips" doesn't start back up.
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:53 AM
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I'm only talking about the winner. The horse was in last behind a pace very similar to that set by Fabulous Strike in the Aristides. Despite that, he was able to run down the pace setters and get up late in a time only .02 off that of FS.

The figure I gave him, 110, compares very favorably to the 113 I gave FS when you consider the trips each had.
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