Librarians, Keepers of the Liberty

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Thomas Sowell is black and came from a underprivillaged childhood in NY. One of my favorite intellectuals out there, was introduced to him in my introductory Microeconimics class. Since then ive tried to read everything he puts out, I think he still works at Stanford, and basically gets paid to think

Speaking of Dr. Sowell ...

... his latest opinion column ... published today ... is very relevant to this thread ... here it is ...

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/T..._and_blacks_ii

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Speaking of Dr. Sowell ...

... his latest opinion column ... published today ... is very relevant to this thread ... here it is ...

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/T..._and_blacks_ii

You will find Mr. Sowell's finest work referenced on the site townhall.com, right next to the link labeled, " How to buy a semi-automatic weapon."

The little education aside from Sowell...

We dont have teacher's Unions in Texas so we are not in any way powerful. But the voucher's started by Republicans in this state are a crock of BS. If you want to get into vouchers in my state, be prepared to be very dissappointed by Republicans. The agenda is very clear.

Originally Posted by pgardn

The little education aside from Sowell...

We dont have teacher's Unions in Texas so we are not in any way powerful. But the voucher's started by Republicans in this state are a crock of BS. If you want to get into vouchers in my state, be prepared to be very dissappointed by Republicans. The agenda is very clear.

It doesn't surprise me that leftists are adamantly opposed to poor black families being able to choose the schools that their children go to.

The leftists are deathly afraid that the children might learn something other than the straight leftist indoctrination.

They love poor blacks ... except when those poor blacks make an effort to leave the plantation.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

It doesn't surprise me that leftists are adamantly opposed to poor black families being able to choose the schools that their children go to.

The leftists are deathly afraid that the children might learn something other than the straight leftist indoctrination.

They love poor blacks ... except when those poor blacks make an effort to leave the plantation.

You've reached bottom.

Just babbling out random bull**** sayings, not answering the IMPORTANT questions posed to you and ranting like a child who decided to spill his milk on purpose.

You should pay attention to this important old Armenian proverb.....

"Do not try to explain away as a child that which you choose not to defend as a man."

[Downthestretch55]

Well, I just got back from reading this entire thread from the very first page.
I must say, it's a very interesting "study".
Some are very adamant about telling you WHY you should believe as they do...because they believe the propaganda of someone that has already told them to accept. WHY? I'm sure they won't be able to tell you unless they mouth the words of others, (see pundits cited).
Then we get to the HOW (tactics). The same ones use a lame practice called "baiting". They throw out an absurdity and if you "bite" or correct a misstatement, inaccuracies, misfacts, insults or twisting of words ensues. Gottcha again. Maybe there will even be some response to something you didn't even say!
Next comes the frustration caused by this...name calling and labeling.
Then it's back to "baiting".
The "tactic" cycle is quite obvious. Round and round we go.

Notice that I make little mention of the "arguements" put forth, or debating.
Simply put, some of the "arguements" are indefensible. When some try to support "their" views, they rely on words from another site's author to provide credence for them. If you don't agree, it's back to "baiting"...safe tactic that it is, unless someone with insight sees through the charade and calls it out.
Just like I did.

Now watch the tender nerves I touched respond. I can't wait.

DTS

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, I just got back from reading this entire thread from the very first page.
I must say, it's a very interesting "study".
Some are very adamant about telling you WHY you should believe as they do...because they believe the propaganda of someone that has already told them to accept. WHY? I'm sure they won't be able to tell you unless they mouth the words of others, (see pundits cited).
Then we get to the HOW (tactics). The same ones use a lame practice called "baiting". They throw out an absurdity and if you "bite" or correct a misstatement, inaccuracies, misfacts, insults or twisting of words ensues. Gottcha again. Maybe there will even be some response to something you didn't even say!
Next comes the frustration caused by this...name calling and labeling.
Then it's back to "baiting".
The "tactic" cycle is quite obvious. Round and round we go.

Notice that I make little mention of the "arguements" put forth, or debating.
Simply put, some of the "arguements" are indefensible. When some try to support "their" views, they rely on words from another site's author to provide credence for them. If you don't agree, it's back to "baiting"...safe tactic that it is, unless someone with insight sees through the charade and calls it out.
Just like I did.

Now watch the tender nerves I touched respond. I can't wait.

DTS

Well,
When someone disagreed with BB, he concluded the person "just hated the Jewish people." For that, I label him a (reverse) bigot. That I did.

When BB supports Dixie's extreme wish to turn the Palestinians into dust, I think that's a stupid position. For that I label them both idiots. That too I did.

When I asked BB simple questions about topics I will disccuss this week at both my favorite Jewish Deli and my favorite Arab coffeehouse and he refers me to his previous non-responsive "response" and when I send him a nicely worded PM that he ignores and simply continues to recite others thoughts.... well, I find that weak and, yes, cowardly. So, that I also did as well.

There are three schools of thought to resolving the Palestinian - Israeli conflict:

1. Single State
2. Independent State
3. Do nothing, leave it alone and keep the "issue."

I can talk about 1 or 2. When BB and others spout off about what their precious "esteemed" authors say, well that's just an effort to "keep the issue," is without original thought and yes, you and I and anyone else with a nominally open mind can see right through it.

So, I consider him a bigot, a coward and a fool (kinder substitution for idiot).

If you were wondering about where I was coming from, I hope this helps.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well,
When someone disagreed with BB, he concluded the person "just hated the Jewish people." For that, I label him a (reverse) bigot. That I did.

When BB supports Dixie's extreme wish to turn the Palestinians into dust, I think that's a stupid position. For that I label them both idiots. That too I did.

When I asked BB simple questions about topics I will disccuss this week at both my favorite Jewish Deli and my favorite Arab coffeehouse and he refers me to his previous non-responsive "response" and when I send him a nicely worded PM that he ignores and simply continues to recite others thoughts.... well, I find that weak and, yes, cowardly. So, that I also did as well.

There are three schools of thought to resolving the Palestinian - Israeli conflict:

1. Single State
2. Independent State
3. Do nothing, leave it alone and keep the "issue."

I can talk about 1 or 2. When BB and others spout off about what their precious "esteemed" authors say, well that's just an effort to "keep the issue," is without original thought and yes, you and I and anyone else with a nominally open mind can see right through it.

So, I consider him a bigot, a coward and a fool (kinder substitution for idiot).

If you were wondering about where I was coming from, I hope this helps.

S2S,
I didn't mention any names.
The "baiting" tactic was one that came up again and again, as did the avoidance of answering very direct questions.
I'll continue to leave names out of it. It's kind of like "discuss ideas, not people" as Somerfrost suggested.
btw, of course I agree that the Palestinians should have their own independent state. At this point, I'm sure they'd be happy just to have fresh drinking water and electricity.
I'd love to see the world find its way to peace. If this "microcosm" of a thread indicates more of a "macro" view...I don't hold out much hope, but then again...there's always a little possibility.
DTS

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well,
When someone disagreed with BB, he concluded the person "just hated the Jewish people." For that, I label him a (reverse) bigot. That I did.

When BB supports Dixie's extreme wish to turn the Palestinians into dust, I think that's a stupid position. For that I label them both idiots. That too I did.

When I asked BB simple questions about topics I will disccuss this week at both my favorite Jewish Deli and my favorite Arab coffeehouse and he refers me to his previous non-responsive "response" and when I send him a nicely worded PM that he ignores and simply continues to recite others thoughts.... well, I find that weak and, yes, cowardly. So, that I also did as well.

There are three schools of thought to resolving the Palestinian - Israeli conflict:

1. Single State
2. Independent State
3. Do nothing, leave it alone and keep the "issue."

I can talk about 1 or 2. When BB and others spout off about what their precious "esteemed" authors say, well that's just an effort to "keep the issue," is without original thought and yes, you and I and anyone else with a nominally open mind can see right through it.

So, I consider him a bigot, a coward and a fool (kinder substitution for idiot).

If you were wondering about where I was coming from, I hope this helps.

I don't have a lot of in-depth knowledge about the Palestinian/Israeli issue, but I would like to know a bit more about the two options. How would a single state work, is that even an option? What the best solution in your eyes? What are the real impediments to solving this thing in your opinion.
I know these are the questions everyone has wanted the answer to for like fifty years, but if S2S were calling the shots, what would happen first?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I don't have a lot of in-depth knowledge about the Palestinian/Israeli issue, but I would like to know a bit more about the two options. How would a single state work, is that even an option? What the best solution in your eyes? What are the real impediments to solving this thing in your opinion.
I know these are the questions everyone has wanted the answer to for like fifty years, but if S2S were calling the shots, what would happen first?

ARL,
Well here's a couple links. The frst is from the U.S. State Department. The second is from a global policy forum. I include the second only because it has links to various articles/opinions. You can can substitute for the second link by typing "middle east peace failure" into your favorite search engine and go from there. It won't take long to develop a decent understanding.

Personally, I support the latest effort of the US/Russia/EU/UNations....

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/20062.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security.../roadindex.htm

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

ARL,
Well here's a couple links. The frst is from the U.S. State Department. The second is from a global policy forum. I include the second only because it has links to various articles/opinions. You can can substitute for the second link by typing "middle east peace failure" into your favorite search engine and go from there. It won't take long to develop a decent understanding.

Personally, I support the latest effort of the US/Russia/EU/UNations....

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/20062.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security.../roadindex.htm

S2S,
The first site presents an interesting framework. I agree with much of it also.
However, today's events (the deaths of 18 Palestinians and 1 Israeli) seem to give reason to believe that this will not happen soon enough.
Israel needs to abide by this clause:

Israeli leadership issues unequivocal statement affirming its commitment to the two-state vision of an independent, viable, sovereign Palestinian state living in peace and security alongside Israel, as expressed by President Bush, and calling for an immediate end to violence against Palestinians everywhere.

I truely hope there are better efforts from both sides to find a peaceful resolution.

DTS

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

ARL,
Well here's a couple links. The frst is from the U.S. State Department. The second is from a global policy forum. I include the second only because it has links to various articles/opinions. You can can substitute for the second link by typing "middle east peace failure" into your favorite search engine and go from there. It won't take long to develop a decent understanding.

Personally, I support the latest effort of the US/Russia/EU/UNations....

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/20062.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security.../roadindex.htm

thanks, well we didn't make it through the first phase without a total collapse.
When I read the roadmap the first thing that comes to mind is it's just too complicated. I'm just not confident in man's ability to resolve such mammoth and historical conflicts by a step by step plan involving four major global entities that never seem to agree on much. How many of the parties are acting in good faith and what is the mechanism by which the Quartet enforces the Road Map? I'm not optimistic.