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07-06-2006, 12:56 PM
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Crazy guy.
Gdubb seems real eager to "negotiate" with him, spent the AM talking with the other five interests. So why not move militarily like was done with another "Axis of Evil"? Simple answer...Kim Il has "nukular" weapons. Maybe not delivery systems ... yet. He'll share what he has with other enemies of the USA... Now, that's plenty scary, imo. 
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07-06-2006, 01:05 PM
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yeah I saw a 1/2 hour special on this MoFo yesterday, he is not right by any stretch of the imagination. sounds to me like they are not playing around, and if I was China I would be concerned
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07-06-2006, 02:48 PM
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Interesting quote I saw from an article today.... The Rev. Roger Ryu, pastor of Hahn-In Christian Reformed Church in Wyoming, believes North Korea has been reduced to desperate measures by its isolation and shaky economy. "They are very desperate. They are extremely isolated," said Ryu, 57, who has lived in the United States since 1973. "They are really looking for a free economic gift. It's like they are saying, 'I have an atomic bomb. Give me some bread.'"
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07-06-2006, 02:52 PM
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I agree, China will play big on this one.
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07-06-2006, 03:03 PM
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Actually, North Korea is largely China's problem...the Chinese surely don't need some idiot with nukes next door and they are well aware of the danger he creates. His country is starving and one would think that very soon, internal opposition will arise, perhaps even from his own military.
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07-06-2006, 03:11 PM
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Somer,
You know far more about this situation than I do. Going back to the Korean War (police action), wasn't it the Chinese that came to the aid of North Korea? Does China's largest share of foreign aid go to North Korea? And, since the Korean War, hasn't the USA maintained a substantial military presence at the DMZ? I only ask because I haven't kept up with our involement in this region, other than buying Chinese manufactured goods at my local Walmart. Thanks for filling me in. DTS
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07-06-2006, 03:20 PM
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The North Koreans scare the crap out of the Japanese. Just imagine such a tightly packed island, that could easily get hit by conventional missles from a very close neighbor. We dont have that problem. (Not to mention that the Japanese did some horrible things to the Chinese and Koreans during WWII). So the Japanese are terribly concerned. And if they are concerned, we are concerned.
I think the Chinese do not have a problem with the N. Koreans causing the Japanese major anxiety. The Chinese do have a problem if this causes us to become aggressive... To give us an excuse to load the Japanese up with some anti-missle system, or worse, for us to start working intensely on anti-missle systems that actually work. The Chinese do not like that aspect at all.
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07-06-2006, 03:30 PM
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Now it's starting to make sense...Japanese missile bases. Throw Taiwan into the mix and the huge credit debt owed to China...the picture becomes much clearer. Recent history hasn't proven China to be very good at negotiating. The memory of Tienemin Square is still a bit fresh. I hope they are more skilled this time around.
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07-06-2006, 03:47 PM
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Yeh ,I'm sure GW is skeert of North Korea, In fact ,it's probably his fault NK HAS theses "nukular" weapons, right? Of course it was Willie the Worm who gave NK the needed materials and resarch to produce the nukes in his ever-increasing effort to have everyone on the planet like us. China is using NK as its pawn to draw closer to the US.China hates us but needs us a trade partner and consumer of its goods. Kim Jung Il is a nutcase but he's pragmatic enough to like his Mercedes and Swedish super-models not to want to be obliterated, unlike nutcases of the Isalmic radical ilk ,who welcome death and destruction as the quick path to eternal life with Allah and the virgins.
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07-06-2006, 04:12 PM
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I'd like to see your source that "Willie the Worm" gave NK the needed materials and research to produce nukes. Please back that absurdity with facts and a source.
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07-06-2006, 07:16 PM
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Facts....you mean like the ones you throw around ? No thanks.I ran out of bulls**t the first time the police questioned me after defending my best bud when some people were going to use him for tee-ball practice.
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07-06-2006, 07:26 PM
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You would have me terminated? LOL!!!!!! In my beloved USA, we have freedom of speech without BS threats of silencing. Back to your cave Indep Geo.
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07-07-2006, 06:18 PM
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Back to the original topic:
President Bush said today that he believes the nation's nascent missile defense system would have had a "reasonable chance" of shooting down a long-range missile launched by North Korea had it come close to the United States This is the prompt to kick Russian and China in the butt. A little more money and work put into this, and it works. This makes em shudder.
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07-07-2006, 07:03 PM
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Testing so far is five out of ten...when we knew where they'd be coming from, and when they were launched. We still have a ways to go with development. The Chinese and the Russians know this as well. 50% isn't good enough.
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07-08-2006, 04:38 PM
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/164846.shtml But Indy George had one thing wrong ... the Sink Emperor didn't give away our technology because he wanted to be liked ... ... he did it for a much more practical reason ... cold, hard cash for his and his consort's campaigns and enrichment. Same as he did with advanced missle technology to China. Edit: Here's another one ... http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...le.asp?ID=5368 Second Edit: Here's what it says in the left-wing Wikipedia (emphasis added) ... "In 1994, Clinton negotiated and signed the Nuclear Accords with North Korea. The underlying concern was that North Korea was developing nuclear weapons technology under the guise of a nuclear power plant. In exchange for assistance with energy needs, North Korea agreed to abandon all ambitions for acquiring nuclear weapons. However, by the mid 1990s defectors from North Korea, along with reports from the IAEA, indicated that North Korea was violating both the Nuclear Accords and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty." "In exchange for assistance with energy needs" means Clinton gave away nuclear technology secrets in exchange for a promise ... which was broken before the ink was dry. Third Edit: Here's the best one yet ... from the colossal fool Jimmuh Carter's own website ... in which he brags about his role in getting North Korea's "assurances" that the nuclear technology they've just been given (1994) will not be used to develop nuclear weapons ... http://www.cartercenter.org/doc221.htm Need any more sources? You surely believe Jimmuh "Ah will nevuh lah to yoo" Carter, don't you? Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-08-2006 at 04:59 PM.
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07-08-2006, 05:18 PM
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For those of you who don't have time to read all the articles I cited above documenting ... as requested ...the nuclear giveaways of the Clinton "administration" ... here's an excerpt from one of them ...
"Under the final terms of the Agreed Framework approved in October of 1994, Clinton agreed to provide the 'Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea' (DPRK) with two light water nuclear reactors and a massive allotment of oil. The U.S. agreed to ship 500,000 metric tons of oil annually in response to the North's pretense that the energy-starved backwater had developed the nuclear facility to generate power. These shipments have cost taxpayers more than $800 million to date - a bargain compared with the $6 billion spent on constructing the nuclear reactors, which now empower North Korea to produce 100 nuclear bombs each year. All these measures failed to quell the North's atom-lust. In August 1998, North Korea lobbed a Taepo Dong 1 missile over Japan. Four months later, officials refused U.S. inspectors access to a suspected underground nuclear reactor at Kumchang-ni. President Clinton then sweetened the deal by rewarding Kim Jong Il's half-year-long stall tactics with 1.1 million tons of food worth nearly $200 million. Not surprisingly, American inspectors found no signs of wrongdoing at the long-sanitized facility. Even this seemingly humanitarian food aid turned into a weapon in North Korea's hands. Reports abound that rations have been re-directed to the DPRK's military, the fifth largest in the world. This is nothing new. Using food as a weapon dates back at least to Stalin. Communist Ethiopia similarly misused international aid in the 1980s. With this in mind, Rep. Benjamin Gilman, R-NY, warned in 1999, '(A)ny food aid we provide to North Korea . . . must be monitored to prevent diversion to the military and the party cadre. Unscheduled, unsupervised visits by American Korean-speaking monitors would assist us in this regard.' It didn't happen. It seems little wonder North Korea has made threats of nuclear conflagration its only functional export industry, besides the weapons themselves. Even as floods and famine emaciated its nearly 22 million citizens, regime leaders in this 'worker's paradise' earmarked every available dollar for guns, not butter, in the hope that Uncle Sam would pay their price without demanding accountable disarmament. Their gamble paid off. Clinton's appeasement programs made North Korea the leading recipient of foreign aid in the Asia-Pacific region. Clinton's policy toward North Korea, a queer amalgamation of Clement Atlee and Alfred E. Newman, has proven disastrous. The most isolated nation in the world has possessed a nuclear weapon capable of striking the United States (the Taepo Dong 2 missile) since at least 1999. Its modern-day commissars have threatened to use these missiles against America a minimum of three times in 21 months. After kicking UN inspectors out of the Yongbyong facility, the short trip to full nuclear status has been quickly engaged." End of excerpt.
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07-08-2006, 05:43 PM
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Bold B,
Did you read the articles you cited? The first one states this: "Pakistan also benefited from the trade in weaponry. The missiles-for-nukes trade gave Pakistan an operational means to deliver its atomic bombs. Pakistan has since successfully test-fired and deployed its own version of the No Dong missile, called the Ghauri. The North Korean-designed missile has a range of nearly 900 miles and can cover virtually all of India, Pakistan's rival in Southwest Asia. The ultimate irony here is that the North Korean No Dong and Tae Po Dong missiles are based on technology given to Pyongyang by China. In 1994, the Wall Street Journal revealed that Chinese-made CSS-2 missile technology had found its way into North Korean hands." Last time I looked in my history book, Clinton never was the President of Pakistan nor China. In my recent memory, GW Bush has been the only US president to visit Pakistan. Regarding former president Carter, I really don't see a problem with his attempt to find a peaceful outcome 14 years ago. Yes, 14 years ago. Now I'm certain that you'll go to your rightwing sites and find other "facts" to connect current events to their "real root causes". I'm sure there's a connect with Woodrow Wilson at one of them, if you look hard enough. Or, was it F D Roosevelt that created these events?
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07-08-2006, 06:11 PM
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Bold B,
I've read all three of the articles you cited. Now, read one that I put up: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0708-21.htm
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07-08-2006, 08:20 PM
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Clinton didn't give away missile technology to North Korea ... he gave away nuclear technology to them. The missile technology was given away to China ... in return for campaign contributions. You remember all those Chinese arms dealers who practically moved into the White House ... don't you? And the Chicoms passed it along to the Paks and North Koreans. That's pretty clear now ... isn't it? Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-08-2006 at 08:40 PM.
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07-08-2006, 08:24 PM
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Everyone wants to "find a peaceful outcome" ... but Jimmuh stinks at it. Please don't waste your time trying to defend this utter embarrassment.
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