Va Derby

Originally Posted by boldruler

Probably not significant, but the people I have spoken with said his ability to run on the dirt and turf make him an interesting horse. Throw in a few track records and a few grade/group 1's and they will have no problem filling his book, just not at a huge price.

I get the feeling he will be around for a few years though because the money they could make off him at stud is nothing to them, especially if Barbaro turns out ok. Barbaro is a cash register in the breeding shed. Showing Up could even be around at 5 if he stays on the grass. I hope so because the US needs a turf horse that we can ship over to Europe and win a big race.

He'll have to race fotr a few years if healthy because his stud value has such a short ceiling....hes really more valuable on the track.........

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He'll have to race fotr a few years if healthy because his stud value has such a short ceiling....hes really more valuable on the track.........

He probably is. I plan on getting a mare to breed with him, but don't plan on paying his fee.

[blackthroatedwind]

I would say if one evaluates horses based on their own opinions that those opinions are far more valuable than opinions from people close to horses.

Showing Up is a " freak "? That is like people who call Smarty Jones " great ". Let's see a few more races from him. He's a good horse but how good is still very much open to debate.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would say if one evaluates horses based on their own opinions that those opinions are far more valuable than opinions from people close to horses.

Showing Up is a " freak "? That is like people who call Smarty Jones " great ". Let's see a few more races from him. He's a good horse but how good is still very much open to debate.

He told me the same thing about Barbaro late last year. They know their stuff and his only turf race was pretty impressive so who am I to argue. They also love this Rumspringa horse in the BC Sprint.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by boldruler

He told me the same thing about Barbaro late last year. They know their stuff and his only turf race was pretty impressive so who am I to argue. They also love this Rumspringa horse in the BC Sprint.

Rumspringa in the BC Sprint?

Come on!

Originally Posted by boldruler

He probably is. I plan on getting a mare to breed with him, but don't plan on paying his fee.

It is nice to have tose connections...good for you....I can't imagine his stud fee range ever getting much higher than $25,000 and he would have to do alot to get to that level IMO.....He'll probably stand for $7,500 to $20,000 with a VERY GOOD racing career - which means winning at least a couple Gr. Is and being a top class performer at least through age 4...the fat he possesses soem speed and held a one-turn track record will help to market him....if he was a plodder he would be hopeless at stud regardless of how many Gr. Is he won....breeders want pedigree and speed as much as they want to breed to a quality, top-shelf horse.....with Showing Up's pedigree he is starting well behind already and if he only accomplishes greatness on the grass it will hurt him even more...he'll need to swap back to the dirt and try to win the Met Mile next year or another improtant dirt race if he wants to be stood in a good market like KY for $10,000 or more.......If he just has grass credentials he is probably suited better standing in New York or somewhere IMO.....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

It is nice to have tose connections...good for you....I can't imagine his stud fee range ever getting much higher than $25,000 and he would have to do alot to get to that level IMO.....He'll probably stand for $7,500 to $20,000 with a VERY GOOD racing career - which means winning at least a couple Gr. Is and being a top class performer at least through age 4...the fat he possesses soem speed and held a one-turn track record will help to market him....if he was a plodder he would be hopeless at stud regardless of how many Gr. Is he won....breeders want pedigree and speed as much as they want to breed to a quality, top-shelf horse.....with Showing Up's pedigree he is starting well behind already and if he only accomplishes greatness on the grass it will hurt him even more...he'll need to swap back to the dirt and try to win the Met Mile next year or another improtant dirt race if he wants to be stood in a good market like KY for $10,000 or more.......If he just has grass credentials he is probably suited better standing in New York or somewhere IMO.....

A big win in Europe on the grass will make him a little more valuable. Believe it or not, they wanted to take Barbaro over to Europe for a race and I think that is the plan for Showing Up. I think he is likely to be in the $10,000 range if he can pull off a few grade 1's on the turf. I doubt the Met Mile will even be on his radar, I believe a big race in Europe and the BC Turf will be his targets in 2007. He is a nice dirt horse, but his beyers were nothing impressive to me on the dirt. He clearly is a better horse on the turf, which he should be based on his breeding.

Originally Posted by boldruler

A big win in Europe on the grass will make him a little more valuable. Believe it or not, they wanted to take Barbaro over to Europe for a race and I think that is the plan for Showing Up. I think he is likely to be in the $10,000 range if he can pull off a few grade 1's on the turf. I doubt the Met Mile will even be on his radar, I believe a big race in Europe and the BC Turf will be his targets in 2007. He is a nice dirt horse, but his beyers were nothing impressive to me on the dirt. He clearly is a better horse on the turf, which he should be based on his breeding.

Personally, I think he is about as good on either surface based on what we've seen right now...just a good honest animal...his Derby was certainly no shame considering what he was faced with and being close to that quick pace.....I like this horse and think he'll prove to be very nice on both dirt and turf...I really do...

As for Barbaro, I sincerely thought he was the next superstar on TURF and still thought that after the Derby....I heard they were planning on maybe taking him to France at year's end for the Arc from what I heard but obviously that is out.............I sincerely think that Barbaro was a future SUPERSTAR on the grass...I really do...his Derby was great but I still thought he might have been beter on grass watching his turf races....what a brillaint horse...I betcha if they save him that his progeny will be better on turf....we won't know for a while obviosuly....