Va Derby

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by boldruler

I doubt Showing Up ever runs a race less than 9F ever again.

OK, if you allow me that he must race in 2007, I can make a SERIOUS bet on the other side of this.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

OK, if you allow me that he must race in 2007, I can make a SERIOUS bet on the other side of this.

He will definitely race next year, unless he got hurt. The BC Mile is still an option I guess but I made the stupid comment that he should be a turf miler because he ran well at one mile on the dirt and my friend laughed at me and said that means nothing.

[blackthroatedwind]

I don't think you made a stupid comment, and certainly don't because of what someone else said, and not only believe he could be in this year's BC mile. I could EASILY see him in the Maker's Mark at Keeneland next spring to begin his year.

He won one race, with a perfect trip against a bad field, I would hardly say the rest of his career is written on stone. And, it certainly shouldn't be.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't think you made a stupid comment, and certainly don't because of what someone else said, and not only believe he could be in this year's BC mile. I could EASILY see him in the Maker's Mark at Keeneland next spring to begin his year.

He won one race, with a perfect trip against a bad field, I would hardly say the rest of his career is written on stone. And, it certainly shouldn't be.

It would be interesting to see him run against the horse they sold, George Washington, who I think will be in the Breeders Cup Mile, but I really don't know that much about what the status is of that horse except that he was crazy when they had him and a real handful to deal with.

Originally Posted by boldruler

He will definitely race next year, unless he got hurt. The BC Mile is still an option I guess but I made the stupid comment that he should be a turf miler because he ran well at one mile on the dirt and my friend laughed at me and said that means nothing.

I think your freind is highly irrational then....If Showing Up makes it to the BC I really think the Mile would be his best opportunity - that is unless the Classic division thins out a little between now and then....I don't think he'll Turf 1 1/2-miles and beat the Euros and I don't think he can beat Flower Alley and Bernardini, etc. going 1 1/4-miles on the dirt - although I wouldn't blame them for trying this...he is a good animal....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I think your freind is highly irrational then....If Showing Up makes it to the BC I really think the Mile would be his best opportunity - that is unless the Classic division thins out a little between now and then....I don't think he'll Turf 1 1/2-miles and beat the Euros and I don't think he can beat Flower Alley and Bernardini, etc. going 1 1/4-miles on the dirt - although I wouldn't blame them for trying this...he is a good animal....

No more dirt for him. He really couldn't ever beat the top 3yr olds or older horses on the surface anyway. He is a nice 100 beyer type of horse on dirt. On grass they swear he is the next superstar.

Originally Posted by boldruler

No more dirt for him. He really couldn't ever beat the top 3yr olds or older horses on the surface anyway. He is a nice 100 beyer type of horse on dirt. On grass they swear he is the next superstar.

We'll see....but I still think they swap back at some point...they'd be close-minded not to try.....Plus, his stud value may really depend on it if he wants to stand in this country....seriously....nobody wants to breed to a Turf horse in North America...they just don't...

[blackthroatedwind]

I won't be surprised to see him in the Met Mile either. I think the evidence is FAR from conclusive that he's a better turf horse than dirt horse and as Joel has pointed out there is little interest in breeding to turf horses in the US and for reasonably good reason.

A lot of decisions about this horse's future seem to be being made based on one race. I'm not so sure the best race he ever ran wasn't his debut. And, running 6th in the Derby, on two weeks rest with little bottom, wasn't too shabby either.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I won't be surprised to see him in the Met Mile either. I think the evidence is FAR from conclusive that he's a better turf horse than dirt horse and as Joel has pointed out there is little interest in breeding to turf horses in the US and for reasonably good reason.

A lot of decisions about this horse's future seem to be being made based on one race. I'm not so sure the best race he ever ran wasn't his debut. And, running 6th in the Derby, on two weeks rest with little bottom, wasn't too shabby either.

I would love to see him back on the dirt, but Tagg isn't making his opinion up on just one race. These are his words "I just never thought he looked real comfortable on the dirt even though he was very impressive on it in several of his races," Tagg said of the colt. "One day we jogged him off on the turf and he just looked like he was reborn."

Tagg wasn't the only one who thought this, some guys who really know the business saw the same thing. I believe a few large offers were made on the horse, but I have no idea if that is really the case.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

We'll see....but I still think they swap back at some point...they'd be close-minded not to try.....Plus, his stud value may really depend on it if he wants to stand in this country....seriously....nobody wants to breed to a Turf horse in North America...they just don't...

I think Tagg just feels he is a much better horse on the turf. I know they wanted to go back to the dirt but it sounds like they gave up on that. Who knows though after a beating by some europeans on the turf he might change his mind. They have to be looking at the poor crop of 3yr old turf horses though and wondering how any of them could ever beat him.