Ken Rudolph.....

[TalkToTheHoof]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I guess what I'm getting at, is Rudolph was hilarious on that short-lived segment of Best Damn. I don't see much of TVG, but from what I saw on Best Damn, does he really suck that bad? Like on a Hammerin' Hank level of suck?

I never knew that about Rudulph. That explains a lot.

[theiman]

I read on another forum board he nearly went at it with Migliore for the Migs ride on a horse Sarge ran this past Friday night at HP.

Didnt see that covered on TVG

He normally has a win % between 5-10%. Use that average to determine whether he is a good trainer or not. Most of his horses are cheaper claimers.
The horse Migliore was on lost a nose in a big Cal Bred Stake race on opening weekend and then was in a CB Allowance race on friday night.

PS--Nickname "The Sarge" was given to him for a haricut he once had. He was never in the military.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by theiman

I read on another forum board he nearly went at it with Migliore for the Migs ride on a horse Sarge ran this past Friday night at HP.

Didnt see that covered on TVG

He normally has a win % between 5-10%. Use that average to determine whether he is a good trainer or not. Most of his horses are cheaper claimers.
The horse Migliore was on lost a nose in a big Cal Bred Stake race on opening weekend and then was in a CB Allowance race on friday night.

PS--Nickname "The Sarge" was given to him for a haricut he once had. He was never in the military.

Ken Ruduloph should not be questioning a single person about anything regarding horse racing. That horse just isn't that good, and he wasn't fast enough to win that race anyways. He went from Cal-breds to open company, and should have been no where near 6/5...stupid TVG money. It is a great angle to play given TVG hasn't picked a winner in two years

[NTamm1215]

IMO, say whatever you want about Nick Hines, low win %, buffoon, never in the military, etc. The guy still absolutely loves horse racing and people like him are great for the game. What harm does it do when he goes berserk after winning a race?

Like many of the rest of you he'd train my horses if I had any...that is of course if Chuck Simon wasn't accepting new clients.

NT

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

IMO, say whatever you want about Nick Hines, low win %, buffoon, never in the military, etc. The guy still absolutely loves horse racing and people like him are great for the game. What harm does it do when he goes berserk after winning a race?

Like many of the rest of you he'd train my horses if I had any...that is of course if Chuck Simon wasn't accepting new clients.

NT

I think on here he is well liked for the type of guy he is. I will admit that before I had TVG I just would see the occaisonal clip showing him jumping up and down after a win, waving his hands and saluting. I thought that he was probably just some buffoon.
But after I got TVG and started listening to him, I really became a fan of his, and recognized that what he does after a win is just a reflection of who he is, and he is not afraid of showing everyone the exuberance or sadness that he feels as a part of racing.
i get a kick out of him and he is a decent handicapper as well.
As someone else said earlier, we need more like him.

[MaTH716]

If I remember correct the horses names is C.T. Zee. Lost in the Snow Chief by about a head. He was a price. After the race they interviewed sarge and he almost broke down crying about the horse and the race. He said that this horse might be a career changer. Do not remeber the ride he had in the Snow Chief, but on Friday it seemed that the Mig was well placed but the horse had nothing. Maybe the Sarge felt like a fool after weeping on TV and saying all those things about the horse(plus burning up all that money), that he had to take it out on the Mig to save face. That is if the whole story is true.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

If I remember correct the horses names is C.T. Zee. Lost in the Snow Chief by about a head. He was a price. After the race they interviewed sarge and he almost broke down crying about the horse and the race. He said that this horse might be a career changer. Do not remeber the ride he had in the Snow Chief, but on Friday it seemed that the Mig was well placed but the horse had nothing. Maybe the Sarge felt like a fool after weeping on TV and saying all those things about the horse(plus burning up all that money), that he had to take it out on the Mig to save face. That is if the whole story is true.

You have the right horse. He is part owned by one of the biggest breeders in California--Harris Farms. Had he won the Cal Bred Stake, or even the allowance race this past Friday, it might have brought more horses from the owner/breeder Sarges way. Getting a few nice ones that run in allowance or stakes races vs cheaper claimers can be the break needed to make the leap to a successful career.

I dont deny Sarge's avid devotion and enthusiasm to the business.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

If I remember correct the horses names is C.T. Zee. Lost in the Snow Chief by about a head. He was a price. After the race they interviewed sarge and he almost broke down crying about the horse and the race. He said that this horse might be a career changer. Do not remeber the ride he had in the Snow Chief, but on Friday it seemed that the Mig was well placed but the horse had nothing. Maybe the Sarge felt like a fool after weeping on TV and saying all those things about the horse(plus burning up all that money), that he had to take it out on the Mig to save face. That is if the whole story is true.

The horse was well placed but was gutted from his last run. Rudolph is an idiot that has had the pleasure to learn from Schrup, another idiot. He should just listen to Lyons and Bray, Bray only on horse knowledge and not wagering, Bray is a fish out of water when it comes to wagering. The horse came back too quick, and a needy trainer, like Sarge, tends to make that move, instead of giving the necessary time off, regardless how they are acting. If I remember correctly, the horse was also about 4 points slow anyways....While they are some good Cal-breds, there is the top couple, then a severe decline IMO

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

The horse was well placed but was gutted from his last run. Rudolph is an idiot that has had the pleasure to learn from Schrup, another idiot. He should just listen to Lyons and Bray, Bray only on horse knowledge and not wagering, Bray is a fish out of water when it comes to wagering. The horse came back too quick, and a needy trainer, like Sarge, tends to make that move, instead of giving the necessary time off, regardless how they are acting. If I remember correctly, the horse was also about 4 points slow anyways....While they are some good Cal-breds, there is the top couple, then a severe decline IMO

i knew before the race that the horse was coming back too quick against tough competition. i think sarge wanted to taste that victory that he was denied in the Snow Chief, and rushed him back.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i knew before the race that the horse was coming back too quick against tough competition. i think sarge wanted to taste that victory that he was denied in the Snow Chief, and rushed him back.

I was licking my chops when I saw 6/5, and his sheet while strong, was slow.....I don't even remember what race it was, if it was Friday night, I doubt I had the winner because I didn't get back to even for the day until the last race at Los Al.....the ultimate get out race

[ELA]

I think some of these posts bring up some excellent points. Are we talking about Ken Rudulph as a handicapper? As an on-air talent? Something else? Regardless, what comes into play under each purview is his style, the quality of his broadcasting (exclusive of content as he may have zero control over that element), his likeability, etc. -- and other measurable standards when it comes to on-air talent.

Personally, I don't like his style at all. I think the efforts at humor come across as "goofy" and are difficult for others to play into and off of. I've been on TV numerous times (as it relates to my industry) and I can assure you this dynamic is a crucial one. When it comes to training, aspects of training, discussions that come from a trainer's perspective -- do I want to hear him, or Simon Bray, Tom Amoss, etc.? I don't care if the guy talking was a 5% trainer -- at least he did it. Practical real world application, from a 5% trainer, means everything; while the talk coming from someone who never walked the walk means zero.

Different people have different styles, and we all understand that. I just think you need to have a style that appeals to the masses -- the various segments of your audience. You need to be able to ebb and flows as the content does, and as the audience does if in fact it does.

Eric