What about Steppingwolfer

[Togacapper]

Cunningham if ya have the time explain to me why Deputy fits in this race and why?

Originally Posted by Togacapper

Cunningham if ya have the time explain to me why Deputy fits in this race and why?

1) He likes Belmont (when its not raining)
2) He possesses some of the best tactical speed of the colts that you KNOW will relish the 1 1/2-mile distance.
3) And he has run Rag figs that rival with the top horses in here...when he beat Bluegrass Cat in the TB Derby, BG Cat actually ran a better number (3) than DG (4) because of the trouble BG Cat encountered. But, the fact still remains that he can throw a sub-5 effort when he fires and not many in this prospective field can - or at least has to this point.

I thought Deputy Glitters was faster than Bob and John heading into the Wood, but obviously he didn't like the slop....betting DG is sitting on a big effort on a dry Belmont oval

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

I'm with Cunningham on the tri actually, those are my top 3. I think Zito will have Hemingway's Key ready to roll. The only horse that I am really worried about is Oh So Awesome as Team Valor shipped him here just for this race

[Togacapper]

Very strong oppinion I appreciate it. I don't look at those figs but I have used them from someone I know who uses them. I had a vey good undercard at Churchill due to those figs on Derby Day.

Originally Posted by Togacapper

I had a vey good undercard at Churchill due to those figs on Derby Day.

Exactly...they were pretty on-key that day, and actually, if you boxed the 4 fastest horses by the Rag numbers coming into the Derby, you would have hit the $800 EX with Barbaro and Bluegrass Cat (all you had to do is throw out the Blue Grass Stakes, which everyone knows KEE form doesn't hold up at CD)....

..I can't find my Derby day Rags at the moment, but I believe BARBARO looked to fire a 3-5 (he obviously fired much lower than that range in a breakout effort), BLUEGRASS CAT looked to fire a 3-5, SWEETNORTHERSAINT looked to fire a 1-4 (and he was my main play because he had clearly run faster than the rest coming in), and Brother Derek looked to run a 2-4.....all else were clearly second best...this formula produced the EX and the top 3-of-4 finishers in the race, with Sweetnorthernsaint and Brother Derek obviously encountering a lot of traffic.

...I made a small fortune that day and the Rags were a huge part of the reason.....to me, it is easily the most accurate speed figure on par, and I would suggest everyone take the opportunity to learn the system...I think you'll see your handicapping improve..(and no, I'm not getting paid by Ragozin).

..the one thing that sucks about them is that they are over-priced...freaking $40/day!!!

[whorstman]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Exactly...they were pretty on-key that day, and actually, if you boxed the 4 fastest horses by the Rag numbers coming into the Derby, you would have hit the $800 EX with Barbaro and Bluegrass Cat (all you had to do is throw out the Blue Grass Stakes, which everyone knows KEE form doesn't hold up at CD)....

..I can't find my Derby day Rags at the moment, but I believe BARBARO looked to fire a 3-5 (he obviously fired much lower than that range in a breakout effort), BLUEGRASS CAT looked to fire a 3-5, SWEETNORTHERSAINT looked to fire a 1-4 (and he was my main play because he had clearly run faster than the rest coming in), and Brother Derek looked to run a 2-4.....all else were clearly second best...this formula produced the EX and the top 3-of-4 finishers in the race, with Sweetnorthernsaint and Brother Derek obviously encountering a lot of traffic.

...I made a small fortune that day and the Rags were a huge part of the reason.....to me, it is easily the most accurate speed figure on par, and I would suggest everyone take the opportunity to learn the system...I think you'll see your handicapping improve..(and no, I'm not getting paid by Ragozin).

..the one thing that sucks about them is that they are over-priced...freaking $40/day!!!

Where do you get those?

Originally Posted by whorstman

Where do you get those?

At http://www.thesheets.com/ .....then click on buy sheet online...they are ridiculously expensive, but well worth it when you understand how to read them, especially if you're a heavy player...go on the site and read about them...

By the way, I just noticed that they adjusted SUNRIVER's Beyer speed figure in the Peter Pan from a 100 to a 102....he actually fits well in the Belmont with that fig, but I still believe his stablemate Bluegrass Cat is much faster...I'll use Sunriver a little in my tickets....Bluegrass Cat should be the fave around 5-2 IMO and Sunriver should be probably the second choice at around 7/2 -to- 9/2...so I look for Pletcher to be one-two in the wagering...Steppenwolfer, Bob and John & Jazil will be next at around the range of 9/2 -to- 8/1 --- and in my opinion the overlay will be Deputy Glitters at around 12-1 or maybe higher, which DOESN'T MEAN I THINK HE'LL WIN...just mean that he will be the Overlay..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

By the way, I just noticed that they adjusted SUNRIVER's Beyer speed figure in the Peter Pan from a 100 to a 102....he actually fits well in the Belmont with that fig, but I still believe his stablemate Bluegrass Cat is much faster...I'll use Sunriver a little in my tickets....Bluegrass Cat should be the fave around 5-2 IMO and Sunriver should be probably the second choice at around 7/2 -to- 9/2...so I look for Pletcher to be one-two in the wagering...Steppenwolfer, Bob and John & Jazil will be next at around the range of 9/2 -to- 8/1 --- and in my opinion the overlay will be Deputy Glitters at around 12-1 or maybe higher, which DOESN'T MEAN I THINK HE'LL WIN...just mean that he will be the Overlay..

Steppenwolfers TG numbers are consistent as hell. Belmont is actually his home track. Hes a solid horse who always fires a shot, although usually a little short. Hes a lock to hit the board and like on Derby Day($$$$$$$) I will be keying him in tris in all three spots, heavier in the place and show holes.

[Cajungator26]

I can't remember if this was posted on here or not, so if it was, please disregard.

Steppenwolfer works for Belmont
By DAVID GRENING
Steppenwolfer, the third-place finisher in the Kentucky Derby, zipped through six furlongs in 1:10.36 Friday morning over the Belmont Park training track in preparation for the $1 million Belmont Stakes on June 10.
Jockey Heberto Castillo Jr. was aboard for the work, which Belmont clockers timed in fractions of 12.16 seconds, 24.00, 35.65, and 47.06. Steppenwolfer galloped out seven furlongs in 1:23.73 and continued out a mile in 1:37.62.

Castillo wasn't pushing on the horse, and the horse was not blowing back at the barn.

"He did it in a way that left my mouth open," Castillo said.

The work was done over a wet track labeled good. Trainer Danny Peitz moved the work up one day because of a forecast that called for several inches of rain in New York Friday night into Saturday.

Asked if Steppenwolfer had worked as fast as that before, Peitz said, "Maybe when we bought him. It's taken me this long to get him back to where he was in the April [2005] sale."

[BrianJ]

There's an article on DRF saying that Steppenwolfer had a nice workout of 1:10 and change galloping out in 1:37. Maybe he'll show some speed. He definitely has the stamina to get the job done (Aptitude breeding). His 3rd in the Derby was respectable.