Rags To Riches to Belmont?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Danzig

pletcher is desperate? i don't know that i'd go that far.

rags is well bred for the distance, and i think she can handle it. and of course you have three horses, very good horses, who have run two tough races in two weeks time. so now would be a good time to try it.

whether todd goes 0-29, or finally wins a tc race.....well, that's up to the filly. but i don't think it's desperation that will make the decision. we've all seen good fillies take on colts, i say let her try and see where she fits in. props to her connections if they do it. she's beaten her peers pretty handily, it's time to step up to the next level.

There's no doubt in my mind that he's "desperate" to win a TC race. What else would you call the entry of Circular Quay in the Preakness? This was a light-bodied horse that didn't run in the Wood because four weeks to the Derby would be "too close." So how do you then explain running him back in two weeks in the Preakness.

I don't think there's any question that Pletcher will do whatever he can to get that first Triple Crown win and quell the whispers about why his stable has performed so poorly on the days when the TRPB "Big Race" teams are in place.

That all being said, I think this is a very special filly. In the absence of Street Sense and Curlin, she'd probably be one of the race favorites.

[Cannon Shell]

I'm desperate to win Friday



or Riot may get violent, all decked out in her DEE TEE stable gear (and undergear)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

There's no doubt in my mind that he's "desperate" to win a TC race. What else would you call the entry of Circular Quay in the Preakness? This was a light-bodied horse that didn't run in the Wood because four weeks to the Derby would be "too close." So how do you then explain running him back in two weeks in the Preakness.

I don't think there's any question that Pletcher will do whatever he can to get that first Triple Crown win and quell the whispers about why his stable has performed so poorly on the days when the TRPB "Big Race" teams are in place.

That all being said, I think this is a very special filly. In the absence of Street Sense and Curlin, she'd probably be one of the race favorites.

then there are a lot of desperate trainers out there, flailing about trying to find a horse with a shot.
yeah, i'm sure pletcher wants one bad--but there's no guarantee that after winning one, he won't get grief the next time he runs a horse, and he runs up the track.
and i'd imagine CQ got entered because he thought the horse was doing well enough to run. i'm not about to second guess him, he didn't get where he's at by being dumb.

[whodey17]

I would like to see the big three skip the Belmont as well. There really is no need for them to run in the Belmont. I would like to see them freshened and then face each other in the Travers and then maybe for a good fall campaign.

[jpops757]

If you look at Pletchers last mounth or 6weeks, Rags has been about the only bright spot . Very limited wins in graded stakes. With his numbers of so caled quality runners in the various division not a lot of wins.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jpops757

If you look at Pletchers last mounth or 6weeks, Rags has been about the only bright spot . Very limited wins in graded stakes. With his numbers of so caled quality runners in the various division not a lot of wins.

in the last few weeks, pletcher moved to first place in the trainers standings...he had been behind o'neill.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I would like to see the big three skip the Belmont as well. There really is no need for them to run in the Belmont. I would like to see them freshened and then face each other in the Travers and then maybe for a good fall campaign.

Yes, me too. I really hate seeing a deep field of quality horses compete for a million dollars. I mean, it is so common in today's racing and all.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I would like to see the big three skip the Belmont as well. There really is no need for them to run in the Belmont. I would like to see them freshened and then face each other in the Travers and then maybe for a good fall campaign.

This quite simply makes no sense whatsoever. If the horses are healthy and fit now, why not see all three of them compete against each other right now?
Does running in the Belmont somehow disqualify them from the Travers? No.
Would skipping the Belmont somehow ensure that they would be in the Travers? No.
As for there being "no need for them to run in the Belmont," if there is no need for good horses to run in a million dollar, G1 Classic, this sport might as well pack it in right now.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by miraja2

This quite simply makes no sense whatsoever. If the horses are healthy and fit now, why not see all three of them compete against each othe right now?
Does running in the Belmont somehow disqualify them from the Travers? No.
Would skipping the Belmont somehow ensure that they would be in the Travers? No.
As for there being "no need for them to run in the Belmont," if there is no need for good horses to run in a million dollar, G1 Classic, this sport might as well pack it in right now.

Consider the source, eh?

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by miraja2

This quite simply makes no sense whatsoever. If the horses are healthy and fit now, why not see all three of them compete against each othe right now?
Does running in the Belmont somehow disqualify them from the Travers? No.
Would skipping the Belmont somehow ensure that they would be in the Travers? No.
As for there being "no need for them to run in the Belmont," if there is no need for good horses to run in a million dollar, G1 Classic, this sport might as well pack it in right now.

I would have to agree, Lets line em all up, throw in the filly and anyone else that wants to run, and we could have the most exciting Belmont in years. Even without a TC possibility.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by miraja2

This quite simply makes no sense whatsoever. If the horses are healthy and fit now, why not see all three of them compete against each othe right now?
Does running in the Belmont somehow disqualify them from the Travers? No.
Would skipping the Belmont somehow ensure that they would be in the Travers? No.
As for there being "no need for them to run in the Belmont," if there is no need for good horses to run in a million dollar, G1 Classic, this sport might as well pack it in right now.

I think his intent was that if we see the same BIG 3 in the Belmont,
then I fear a 6 horse field, completed with 2 maidens and a plodder.
That's exaggerating a bit, but you know what I mean. I think it will be a more exciting race if we have a larger, more diverse group.

Obviously if Street Sense wins the Preakness, then my opinion is greatly changed, but the prospect of these 2 (or 3) facing off again in 3 weeks doesn't really do much for me as a fan.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I think his intent was that if we see the same BIG 3 in the Belmont,
then I fear a 6 horse field, completed with 2 maidens and a plodder.
That's exaggerating a bit, but you know what I mean. I think it will be a more exciting race if we have a larger, more diverse group.

Obviously if Street Sense wins the Preakness, then my opinion is greatly changed, but the prospect of these 2 (or 3) facing off again in 3 weeks doesn't really do much for me as a fan.

Just so I understand you correctly, you hope that some of the big colts skip the race, because if they don't colts like Zanjero and Imawildandcrazyguy might be scared away? I think I would rather watch "the big three" than those two.
I guess I like to see the best horses compete in the best races.
I guess I am just too old-fashioned in that regard.

[slotdirt]

I would rather see Hard Spun, Curlin, and Street Sense in a three horse Belmont than not see those three and have some nag win the race.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Just so I understand you correctly, you hope that some of the big colts skip the race, because if they don't colts like Zanjero and Imawildandcrazyguy might be scared away? I think I would rather watch "the big three" than those two.
I guess I like to see the best horses compete in the best races.
I guess I am just too old-fashioned in that regard.

No, not suggesting that. Just that I would like to see Rags to Riches, Nobiz, Great Hunter and Tiago all take a shot at this. As long as their is no triple crown on the line, I'm not sure how excited I am to see the big 3 again in a small field, but it is partially based from a betting standpoint.

Just because Great Hunter and Tiago didn't perform well in the Derby, doesn't mean they're nags or have no shot in the Belmont. I think both will be serious factors if they go, as would Rags to Riches. If all HS, SS and Curlin all go, I think some of these horses point elsewhere.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

There's no doubt in my mind that he's "desperate" to win a TC race. What else would you call the entry of Circular Quay in the Preakness? This was a light-bodied horse that didn't run in the Wood because four weeks to the Derby would be "too close." So how do you then explain running him back in two weeks in the Preakness.

I don't think there's any question that Pletcher will do whatever he can to get that first Triple Crown win and quell the whispers about why his stable has performed so poorly on the days when the TRPB "Big Race" teams are in place.

That all being said, I think this is a very special filly. In the absence of Street Sense and Curlin, she'd probably be one of the race favorites.

you are assuming it was Pletcher's decision to run the horse there.

[Danzig]

if the 'big three' go in the belmont, pletcher says rags will not go, but will point to the mother goose instead....if two of three go, he says he'll consider it....

sightseeing is not pointing to the belmont, shug wants to give him more time. nobiz a possibility.

[King Glorious]

My question is which two of the three would have to not run in order for the Belmont to be likely and which one of the three would have to skip the race in order for him to consider it strongly? Say for instance only Hard Spun goes. Does Pletcher then go in the Belmont with Rags? What if the one is Curlin or if it's Street Sense? Does he still go because it's only one? I don't know if that makes sense to me. If he's not going in with the intention of winning, why go at all? And if he is going with the intention of winning.....and thinks his horse can beat either Curlin or Street Sense, shouldn't he feel that his horse can beat both of them since they are pretty much even? And if he feels his horse can beat them, he should feel his horse can beat Hard Spun too. So why not run if all three are there if u feel u can beat all three?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm desperate to win Friday

or Riot may get violent, all decked out in her DEE TEE stable gear (and undergear)

I'm just happy that the smart Sumwon hasn't yet figured out how to escape from the shedrow, after she throws her hotwalkers around for grins and entertainment. I know you don't train hurdlers.

Rags to Riches may indeed be the best three-year-old in the country, she can win the Belmont, and I'd love to see her there. I don't think Hard Spun wants to go that far, but we'll see, I guess. I wish Street Sense and Curlin would not enter, take some short time off, come back late summer and hammer away at each other all fall and make true legends of themselves, with Hard Spun in the mix.

Rags to Riches wins the Belmont, a length ahead of Curlin, two in front of Tiago.

I'm sending you my lucky underwear to wear in my absence. Danzig will get me a picture

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm just happy that the smart Sumwon hasn't yet figured out how to escape from the shedrow, after she throws her hotwalkers around for grins and entertainment. I know you don't train hurdlers.

Rags to Riches may indeed be the best three-year-old in the country, she can win the Belmont, and I'd love to see her there. I don't think Hard Spun wants to go that far, but we'll see, I guess. I wish Street Sense and Curlin would not enter, take some short time off, come back late summer and hammer away at each other all fall and make true legends of themselves, with Hard Spun in the mix.

Rags to Riches wins the Belmont, a length ahead of Curlin, two in front of Tiago.

I'm sending you my lucky underwear to wear in my absence. Danzig will get me a picture

oh, i'd have to get EVERYONE a picture!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

My question is which two of the three would have to not run in order for the Belmont to be likely and which one of the three would have to skip the race in order for him to consider it strongly? Say for instance only Hard Spun goes. Does Pletcher then go in the Belmont with Rags? What if the one is Curlin or if it's Street Sense? Does he still go because it's only one? I don't know if that makes sense to me. If he's not going in with the intention of winning, why go at all? And if he is going with the intention of winning.....and thinks his horse can beat either Curlin or Street Sense, shouldn't he feel that his horse can beat both of them since they are pretty much even? And if he feels his horse can beat them, he should feel his horse can beat Hard Spun too. So why not run if all three are there if u feel u can beat all three?

good questions!