Excuses

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Even you would have to admit his quick acceleration plays a big part in getting good trips.

Yes, DrugS is denying that Street Sense's inate talent, which he can't admit is greater than he believed, makes it much easier for him to get these advantageous trips than the average middle to deep closer.

He's a very good horse. That's the bottom line. But, as much as I like him, I would like to see him perform well under adversity. Though, in many ways he did this in the Keeneland Breeder's Futurity. Now I would love to see it at a higher level.

[10 pnt move up]

dynever, now thats a name that i thought was long gone, in more ways then one

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

dynever, now thats a name that i thought was long gone, in more ways then one

He was a very talented horse who was a victim of being a plodder. I used him as an example.

I could have used Giacomo....but I thought I would use an actual good horse.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was a very talented horse who was a victim of being a plodder. I used him as an example.

I could have used Giacomo....but I thought I would use an actual good horse.

You really should have used Giacomo, 3/4ths of the board dont even remember who Dynever was.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You really should have used Giacomo, 3/4ths of the board dont even remember who Dynever was.

Thanks you for making up for your prior lack of poor grammar.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thanks you for making up for your prior lack of poor grammar.

your welcome, I don't want to get an undeserved reputation.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

dynever, now thats a name that i thought was long gone, in more ways then one

It is. I think the Arabs changed it. Also long gone were all the horses he was trying to pass in the stretch. Well, at least one per race.

[blackthroatedwind]

At least the two of you were able to extract the important aspects of my post. And, most incredibly, one of you didn't include his usual massive grammatical and spelling errors.

[SentToStud]

Don't recall the new owners changing Dynever's name. And he passed a few in the DWC as I recall.

Street Sense should have won the Preakness. If Borel doesn't look back and spends that fraction of a second going to his left hand instead of turning his head, I believe he wins. He certainly did the horse no favors the last 50 yards and a left hand was in order given his move back to the rail habit.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Don't recall the new owners changing Dynever's name. And he passed a few in the DWC as I recall.

Street Sense should have won the Preakness. If Borel doesn't look back and spends that fraction of a second going to his left hand instead of turning his head, I believe he wins. He certainly did the horse no favors the last 50 yards and a left hand was in order given his move back to the rail habit.

could you please explain this idea in more detail?

i was kinda thinking borel blew the race because he didnt take a crap before the race and that extra 3 ounces probably cost him 3-4 lengths.

i like your theory better though!

[ultracapper]

andy, do you think street sense is a better horse than curlin? not challenging, just asking.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, DrugS is denying that Street Sense's inate talent, which he can't admit is greater than he believed, makes it much easier for him to get these advantageous trips than the average middle to deep closer.

I believe I once said somewhere that Street Sense would very likely have been capable of running a sub 21 quarter at a 2-year-old in training sale if trained to do so. Obviously a horse like Curlin couldn't do that.

SS rated nicely, just a head or a neck off of something like a 21.62 first quarter in his maiden win going 6.5 furlongs.

If anyone remembers Arazi, who blew a lead going 4.5 or 5 furlongs in his debut---they'd take him way back in the early stages of his dirt races, and he had one of those explosive, hard-to-sustain move as well.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I believe I once said somewhere that Street Sense would very likely have been capable of running a sub 21 quarter at a 2-year-old in training sale if trained to do so. Obviously a horse like Curlin couldn't do that.

SS rated nicely, just a head or a neck off of something like a 21.62 first quarter in his maiden win going 6.5 furlongs.

If anyone remembers Arazi, who blew a lead going 4.5 or 5 furlongs in his debut---they'd take him way back in the early stages of his dirt races, and he had one of those explosive, hard-to-sustain move as well.

Arazi, to me is the greatest horse of all time, but for personal reasons.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Arazi, to me is the greatest horse of all time, but for personal reasons.

I assume it had nothing to do with his eye-catching 17th place to 3rd place in a drop-of-a-hat move as the 4/5 favorite in the '92 Kentucky Derby? It's too bad he didn't make that move unmolested up a live rail, and get to save all the ground....or his comparisons with all the great horses in history might not have died such a swift death on that day.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I assume it had nothing to do with his eye-catching 17th place to 3rd place in a drop-of-a-hat move as the 4/5 favorite in the '92 Kentucky Derby? It's too bad he didn't make that move unmolested up a live rail, and get to save all the ground....or his comparisons with all the great horses in history might not have died such a swift death on that day.

everyone has a horse I assume that may have never achieved greatness but in some way affected them greatly. Arazi is one and Bien Bien was the other.

[Zippy Chippy]

Is it by accident or by design that Street Sense seems to get a lot of "perfect trips?" I was listening to ATRAB after the Derby and JJ gave a pretty good explanation of why Street Sense seems to always have a clear path to the front. The strategy for Street Sense is to save ground while waiting to make his late move. By the time Street Sense is ready to make his move, most of the pack has weakened and is drifting away from the rail while going around the far turn. This opens up a path along the rail that Street Sense exploits with his speed and strength.

This strategy seems to put Street Sense in a position to get a clear path to the front. I guess you can call it a "perfect trip," but I think the strategy is making more of a difference than luck. He is deliberately being placed in a position that exploits his acceleration, his speed and his strength. I don't think we can discount his talent simply because he hasn't had to go five-wide when making his move.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, DrugS is denying that Street Sense's inate talent, which he can't admit is greater than he believed, makes it much easier for him to get these advantageous trips than the average middle to deep closer.

He's a very good horse. That's the bottom line. But, as much as I like him, I would like to see him perform well under adversity. Though, in many ways he did this in the Keeneland Breeder's Futurity. Now I would love to see it at a higher level.

Well, you speak to my comments here, LOL. Excellent point(s).

Eric

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ELA

Well, you speak to my comments here, LOL. Excellent point(s).

Eric

Minus his inclusion of my name in it.

As, he's obviously way too good to read any of my "prolific" posts....and is only making judgements as to what I think based on what he's heard second hand from Stone Grossard.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Minus his inclusion of my name in it.

As, he's obviously way too good to read any of my "prolific" posts....and is only making judgements as to what I think based on what he's heard second hand from Stone Grossard.

I usually go right to the top and ask for Eddie Vedder's interpretations of your posts.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't even want to ask who he is.