Stress Kills: Ken Lay Dead at 64

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I assume you're being sarcastic, Rupert? I find it hard to believe there are any Kenny Boy supporters out there...

There's another thread on this on the OT board.

I wasn't being supportive of him. I was just pointing out how stress can kill you. Lay was obviously thinking that he was going to prison and was going to have to spend his life in prison. The constant stress and worry was probably one of the things that killed him. I was just pointing that out. I'm no fan of Ken Lay.

There was another fella who died in prison connected with the Clinton Whitewater scandal. These white-collar guys are cut out for the joint.
In my former homestate of AL, Gov. Don Seigalman is headed to the big house.

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

There was another fella who died in prison connected with the Clinton Whitewater scandal. These white-collar guys are cut out for the joint.
In my former homestate of AL, Gov. Don Seigalman is headed to the big house.

They need to get rid of these country club prisons. I have a feeling they would think twice if they knew they were headed to a real prison.

[sumitas]

These guys think they are above the law. He got off easy.

But this is an OT thread not one for the paddock.

[somerfrost]

To quote Eleanor Roosevelt, "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people". There is never joy in the death of a man/woman...and it's not up to any of us to say what he "deserved". May his soul find peace until it's return...

Originally Posted by somerfrost

To quote Eleanor Roosevelt, "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people". There is never joy in the death of a man/woman...and it's not up to any of us to say what he "deserved". May his soul find peace until it's return...

Well I guess I have a small mind then, because his death makes me happy. I just wished he had a more painful death. Eleanor Roosevelt was a great woman but nobody every stole her retirement money, in fact her retirement money was given to her at birth.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Well I guess I have a small mind then, because his death makes me happy. I just wished he had a more painful death. Eleanor Roosevelt was a great woman but nobody every stole her retirement money, in fact her retirement money was given to her at birth.

Your words say more about you than anyone else can...I hope that bitterness subsides before it consumes you! Glad you aren't in my shoes...just wish I wasn't...but even my situation will change, it always does!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

To quote Eleanor Roosevelt, "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people". There is never joy in the death of a man/woman...and it's not up to any of us to say what he "deserved". May his soul find peace until it's return...

I appreciate your open heart on it, Somer, but I'm with Boldruler on this one. I feel like he escaped justice and it makes... me... mad... a lot of people lost a lot of money and are going to be working for the rest of their lives, with no retirement possible, because of this man. I don't think death is the worst of all possible fates-- he got off easy. I really wish I believed in hell.

But Eleanor Roosevelt is still da bomb and that is an excellent quote- thanks for posting it!

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I appreciate your open heart on it, Somer, but I'm with Boldruler on this one. I feel like he escaped justice and it makes... me... mad... a lot of people lost a lot of money and are going to be working for the rest of their lives, with no retirement possible, because of this man. I don't think death is the worst of all possible fates-- he got off easy. I really wish I believed in hell.

But Eleanor Roosevelt is still da bomb and that is an excellent quote- thanks for posting it!

Lay was a crook ... but I think you don't understand the pension situation.

The only money that was lost was the value of the stock which was given by Enron to their employee pension plan. None of the Enron employees lost money of their own ... they only lost their projected share of the paper value of the stock which was given to the plan.

And Eleanor Roosevelt was about the silliest and most naive little tall rich girl who was ever publicly humiliated by a cousin/husband.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I appreciate your open heart on it, Somer, but I'm with Boldruler on this one. I feel like he escaped justice and it makes... me... mad... a lot of people lost a lot of money and are going to be working for the rest of their lives, with no retirement possible, because of this man. I don't think death is the worst of all possible fates-- he got off easy. I really wish I believed in hell.

But Eleanor Roosevelt is still da bomb and that is an excellent quote- thanks for posting it!

Well, I don't believe in hell either, at least not the Christian/Jewish one, but I do believe in karma and I do believe his soul will return and he will reap the fruits of his actions the next time around so the scales are not yet balanced. Another quote, this time from Fidel Castro...when asked whether he was happy upon hearing of the murder of President Kennedy, he responded, "No, I feel sadness over his death; it's governments and not men who are the enemy".

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wasn't being supportive of him. I was just pointing out how stress can kill you. Lay was obviously thinking that he was going to prison and was going to have to spend his life in prison. The constant stress and worry was probably one of the things that killed him. I was just pointing that out. I'm no fan of Ken Lay.

My apologies, Rupert! And very depressing to think that he could cheerfully bilk people out of millions (and let's not forget what Enron did in California), but getting caught-- now THAT could stress him out. Sigh...

Though I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out it was suicide, not stress.