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Old 05-19-2007, 07:04 PM
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Instead of wasting breath talking about what didn't happen in this fabulous race, why not spend a few minutes analyzing the chart and figure out what DID happen:

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...20070519&RN=12

Because when you do, you'll discover a pair of real racehorse performances..

When they came together at the head of the stretch, Street Sense had made up 12 lengths in a quarter mile.. a :22.4-:23.0 move.. Maybe it will occur to the 'hung' crowd why he 'didn't finish'.. And Curlin himself made up 9 lengths going the same quarter in :23.3.. (Before that, he had made the third quarter in :23.1...)

And neither stopped running for the next 3.75 of a mile.. THEY FINISHED IN :18.4 a head apart... Street Sense in :41.4 and Curlin in :42.2...

This was a throwback race with two unbelievable efforts.. What we pray for in this game..
That "hung crowd" includes Street Sense's jockey.

I agree though, a terrific race with a disappointing (to the fan in me) result.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:10 PM
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I have to say it was great to see those two go at it.

I'm looking forward to Belmont more than I would be for Triple Crown potential. Rubber match between these two with Hard Spun looking to make ammend and Rags a possibility.

I love it.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:15 PM
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That "hung crowd" includes Street Sense's jockey.

I agree though, a terrific race with a disappointing (to the fan in me) result.
Joe,

That's what he said seconds after the race.. When he goes over the tape of the race and absorbs the fractions, it'll be obvious. They both gutted it out to the wire, barely slowing. One wins, one loses.. Street Sense got the bob over Any Given Saturday at Tampa and loses this one to Curlin.

I think because we don't see horses race like we used to, there's an immediate jump to conclusion that a beaten horse did something to 'get beat'. This is a similar line of thinking that had peoplew wanting to dismiss Bernardini off the BCC loss. If we see MORE matchups of the horses we love as often we should, we'd be more inclined to take the win, or loss, for what it is, and start anticipating the next one. But because we aren't sure we'll ever get the matchup again, there's a quick conclusion...
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:17 PM
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Well hell, I'm excited...

That had to be the most exciting finish since Silver Charm's Preakness, I think.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:25 PM
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Maybe I need to watch the replay a few more times, but it seems to me that 99 times out of 100, when a horse the caliber of Street Sense passes another horse in the final 1/4 mile, the race is over. It looked to me like Street Sense quit. I don't know if "hung" is the right word, because I usually think of that word when a horse makes a move to reach contention, and then has nothing left for the real fight. I think Street Sense thought the fight was over.

I don't think Borel cost Street Sense the race, but I have to question why Pino moved so early on Hard Spun. I think he could have been right there at the wire with a more patient move. (Note that I have only seen the replay once).

It also looked like Curlin was not totally comfortable during the race. It was as if he was relaxed, then rushed, then relaxed, then all out. But maybe that was just an illusion.

Bottom line, I think Street Sense wins that race at least 6 times out of 10.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:28 PM
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For the record.. the splits..

CURLIN

:24.2
:23.2
:23.1
:23.3
:18.4

1:53.2


STREET SENSE

:24.3
:23.2
:23.3
:23.0 <= !!!
:18.4

1:53.2
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:38 PM
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For the record.. the splits..

CURLIN

:24.2
:23.2
:23.1
:23.3
:18.4

1:53.2


STREET SENSE

:24.3
:23.2
:23.3
:23.0 <= !!!
:18.4

1:53.2
Note the <=...

As Andy Serling said months ago after the Tampa race, Street Sense is a rail running son of a gun... There's a big difference in making that move in the 4th quarter on the rail and in the fourth quarter 3-4 paths out. And that difference is certainly more than the short head he lost by today. You can say he 'hung', but it's a silly description for a horse that is actually just lacking the late punch in the final strides because of the effort he put out earlier in the race.

The fact is that that quarter mile move had been enough in half his races to put away ALL the competition. Today he ran into a better horse who was in reality running almost the identical race as him.. Better by the length of his muzzle.

Two supremely talented horses.. A rare treat these days...
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Old 05-19-2007, 08:20 PM
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Maybe I need to watch the replay a few more times, but it seems to me that 99 times out of 100, when a horse the caliber of Street Sense passes another horse in the final 1/4 mile, the race is over. It looked to me like Street Sense quit. I don't know if "hung" is the right word.
99 out of 100 is about right.

The horse was 8th after a 1/4 mile, 8th after a half mile, 7th after 3/4's (and always behind Curlin) He leaves him for dead on the far turn...and has a 1 1/2 length lead at the stretch call according to the chart....it was a much much more extreme case than the Tiznow/Sakhee example in the Breeders Cup Classic a few years back.

I sent Kiri's Clown a six hour tape of some great horse races from the last 20 years---he should have the tape by Monday or Tuesday---I added Street Cry's 2-year-old races with Flame Thrower....I couldn't find his UAE Derby loss.

I think you guys will notice a lot of similarites between SS and his sire, when you see them on Youtube.

In both of his losses to Flame Thrower, the speed figure came back giant, if not the fastest runnings of the Norfolk and Del Mar Futurity of all-time, they're certainly among the top two or three on figures.
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