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Old 05-15-2007, 09:25 AM
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If anyone remembers, Bob Baffert tried to bring Point Given to the Derby fresh with only two preps so he would have enough left to finish off the Triple Crown. It didn't quite work out, at least somewhat due to his foolishly choosing to start from the parking lot instead of the inside. The horse certainly had plenty left to win the last two legs.

Well, it looks like Nafzger and Street Sense pulled off Part A of the Baffert plan.

Didn't Monarchos start from post 16, and PG start from post 17? I think PG was a little short because of the two preps and a little too close to the pace... I don't think the post position made much of a difference.
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I would say being parked wide around both turns while near a blistering pace at least somewhat contributed to the defeat. Monarchos and Point Given in no way ran similar races.
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Why does Point Given's ongoing and career-long hoof problem(s) never get brought up in discussions of his great campaign?
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Why does Point Given's ongoing and career-long hoof problem(s) never get brought up in discussions of his great campaign?

Is this grammatically correct?
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Old 05-15-2007, 09:34 AM
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Is this grammatically correct?
It is good enough in NATO.
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Old 05-15-2007, 09:35 AM
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It is good enough in NATO.

And the White House.
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Old 05-15-2007, 09:38 AM
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And the White House.
NATO standards are at least a little higher.
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Is this grammatically correct?
Start with that stuff and I may delete my membership from here...
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Is this your last post?
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Why does Point Given's ongoing and career-long hoof problem(s) never get brought up in discussions of his great campaign?
.....because most fools dont believe in nagging injuries, they always think the trainer is lying.

b.t.w......curlin will win or run 2nd to s.s.
carry on.
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When are they drawing this race card anyways?
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When are they drawing this race card anyways?
The card, minus the Preakness, is probably drawn tomorrow but possibly today.
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Card gets drawn tomorrow. Full PPs become available after the Preakness draw, which takes place at 4:30 PM EDT.

Preakness undercard is usually the worst of the three Triple Crown races, but that doesn't mean there won't be plenty to bet on.

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I would say being parked wide around both turns while near a blistering pace at least somewhat contributed to the defeat. Monarchos and Point Given in no way ran similar races.
Ok, somewhat I suppose... but he was just 3-wide on the first turn.
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Yeah, well Monarchos made the fence by the first turn.

Where exactly was Point Given that the post didn't matter?
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Yeah, well Monarchos made the fence by the first turn.

Where exactly was Point Given that the post didn't matter?
As well as Gary Stevens rode thousands of races the 2001 Derby was not one of his finer performances. It's a shame, though, because he was so much better than everyone else in that crop.

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As well as Gary Stevens rode thousands of races the 2001 Derby was not one of his finer performances. It's a shame, though, because he was so much better than everyone else in that crop.
Are we talking about Point Given or Gary Stevens here?
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Are we talking about Point Given or Gary Stevens here?
What other jocks come from Stevens' crop?
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Old 05-15-2007, 10:03 AM
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Are we talking about Point Given or Gary Stevens here?
horse.

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