Circular Quay

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

No. Pimlico has been a merry-go-round this year and I really can't see Hard Spun or Street Sense coming back to the field.

Well that's good to know. I am pretty sure that I only watch three races a year on this track (this one along with the BES and the Pim Special) so I have no idea how the track has been playing.
I just thought CQ would benefit from all the speed in the race, but if speed is holding up that well, I guess Hard Spun might be the play.

I was hoping Any Given Saturday would be entered. Although he had no shot of beating the top two in the derby, he was given no shot of placing due to Gomez moving him outside before the turn instead of waiting for the opening, which in fact occured a split second after he moved wide, on the inside. He easily could've finished third. Why Gomez decided to go wide on a track that was clearly favoring the rail is beyond me.

Would be nice to see John R. take over again.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I was hoping Any Given Saturday would be entered. Although he had no shot of beating the top two in the derby, he was given no shot of placing due to Gomez moving him outside before the turn instead of waiting for the opening, which in fact occured a split second after he moved wide, on the inside. He easily could've finished third. Why Gomez decided to go wide on a track that was clearly favoring the rail is beyond me.

Would be nice to see John R. take over again.

I was hoping AGS was entered also. Will take the normal "dumb" Pletcher money. He was a toss in The Derby.....would be a bigger toss in The Preakness.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Well that's good to know. I am pretty sure that I only watch three races a year on this track (this one along with the BES and the Pim Special) so I have no idea how the track has been playing.
I just thought CQ would benefit from all the speed in the race, but if speed is holding up that well, I guess Hard Spun might be the play.

I think you are getting some bad information there.

There were 7 routes run at Pimlico last week. One 5 to 2 shot won wire to wire. A 2 to 5 shot won from third early. The other 5 were won from the back.

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

Now that's hardcore.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bystander

Now that's hardcore.

Now if only we can get DrugS to listen.

[tycharles01]

Who is gonna ride who now thats the biggest question??

Gomez messed up on AGS in the Derby
Johnny V messed up on CQ in the Derby

Should have been SS,Hard Spun,AGS,CQ Super!!!

Now

Johnny V is said to have to mount on King of the Roxy

Do they let Gomez ride CQ or??

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by tycharles01

Who is gonna ride who now thats the biggest question??

Gomez messed up on AGS in the Derby
Johnny V messed up on CQ in the Derby

Should have been SS,Hard Spun,AGS,CQ Super!!!

Now

Johnny V is said to have to mount on King of the Roxy

Do they let Gomez ride CQ or??

Gomez would ride, I assume. He has mounts on the other stakes races there Friday, but no mount confirmed for the Preakness on Saturday. I assume Johnny V will keep his commitment to Team Valor and King of the Roxy.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Do you really think those 2 riders messed up the rides and cost their horses a chance in the super because I must have been watching a different race. AGS was in contention at the top of the lane, but he was empty late, much like his Wood run. CQ was never a factor IMO, had nothing to do with the ride.

never a factor to win, yes I agree. But he was 4 wide on the first turn and I'm not sure how wide (at least 6 wide) on the 2nd.. he finished less than 2 lengths from Curlin... I think he had a chance at the super.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Fair enough, but in a 20 horse field you are going to be wide on the turns. I guess it's also possible he was short in the race, but that's bound to happen off of a 8 week layoff. He had a pretty decent trip though and offered not too much late. I suppose it's not crazy to think he'll improve but it seems odd to me that he is all of the sudden a contender. He sees none of my money.

Yeah, I've been a CQ supporter, but must admit I'm losing faith. 'wildandcrazyguy appeared to outkick CQ in the stretch, and he had an even wider trip!
I'm not sure the track conditions and pace of the Preakness will set up well enough for CQ to win... or if he's even good enough to win it anyway. Obviously, it's way too early to predict anything yet.

[whodey17]

I dont see any scenario that would allow CQ to win this race. To me, he is a non-factor. He might pick up some pieces to get 5th. I am really interested to see how Hard Spun performs in the Preakness. I think he will back-up to the field this time.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In regards to Pimlico, I definitely haven't seen all of the races run there this year. But I did see a good portion the first week and all of the races this past weekend. Early in the meet it was like a merry go round, very difficult to make up any ground. This past weekend the track seemed very fair. Now, that doesn't mean it won't be souped on come Preakness day, but it has been playing fair recently.

Lets not use rational thinking at Derby Trail. Track supers don't soup up the course on big days. That's a silly urban legend. The preakness will be won by a deep closer. Promise.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

Well, thanks for the scolding, but if you'll notice I said "IF the speed is holding up that well...."
I assure you I don't "base handicapping opinions on internet threads" and I only bet on races in which I have "done the work."
Thanks for the pointless and blatantly obvious advice.
Hey by the way.....if I were you I wouldn't place large win bets on the horse I thought was the worst horse in the race. That is a bad strategy too.

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think you are getting some bad information there.

There were 7 routes run at Pimlico last week. One 5 to 2 shot won wire to wire. A 2 to 5 shot won from third early. The other 5 were won from the back.

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

I anxiously await your selections for the Preakness. Can't wait to be enlightened by yet another industry insider.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I anxiously await your selections for the Preakness. Can't wait to be enlightened by yet another industry insider.

When exactly did CJ ever refer to himself as an " industry insider ".

Geez, all the guy did was post some facts about the recent races at Pimlico. Now he's getting attacked?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

When exactly did CJ ever refer to himself as an " industry insider ".

Geez, all the guy did was post some facts about the recent races at Pimlico. Now he's getting attacked?

I don't see people "attacking" him. His post to me was ridiculously condescending, and when someone addresses me in that manner, I will respond.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't see people "attacking" him. His post to me was ridiculously condescending, and when someone addresses me in that manner, I will respond.

I think you made a mistake in determining the tenor of his post. I've seen his posts for years on the internet and he's hardly someone who takes cheap shots. Since I also know you are more than a reasonable person I just think this is one of those " internet misunderstandings. "

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think you made a mistake in determining the tenor of his post. I've seen his posts for years on the internet and he's hardly someone who takes cheap shots. Since I also know you are more than a reasonable person I just think this is one of those " internet misunderstandings. "

Fair enough.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't see people "attacking" him. His post to me was ridiculously condescending, and when someone addresses me in that manner, I will respond.

It wasn't meant that way. You said "well that is good to know". I was just trying to help. I disagreed with the guy about the results at Pimlico. Rather than just spit that out there, I took 5 minutes to back up my impressions.

I'll take the hard data over the "I was there in April" or "yeah, but one race was a claimer" and whatever else is used to back up an argument.

As for this post:

Lets not use rational thinking at Derby Trail. Track supers don't soup up the course on big days. That's a silly urban legend. The preakness will be won by a deep closer. Promise.

I don't have the charts anymore but I'm sure closers have won more than a few in the last 10 years, souped up track or not.

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't have the charts anymore but I'm sure closers have won more than a few in the last 10 years, souped up track or not.

Yeah I don't have the charts for opening week but i'm sure speed was holding. I'm not going to look it up because I refuse to change my opinion, just like you.

We both agree CQ has no shot right? So why argue over semantics?