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Old 05-14-2007, 02:02 PM
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I can't believe you are concerned with a workout and how strenuous it was or wasn't.

TFM,

I think he needs a great trip, while the other two have poor trips, to have a chance. If they all get a fair shot, Curlin is no better than 3rd best.

If Hard Spun gets a rough trip, it is very unlikely that Street Sense will. If the Derby winner gets a rough trip, it most likely means Hard Spun is not. I think either of those beats Curlin even with moderate adversity. I'm not even convinced he is better than Sedgefield or King of the Roxy.

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Old 05-14-2007, 02:06 PM
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I can't believe you are concerned with a workout and how strenuous it was or wasn't.
In order to show improved early speed, like he will probably need to in order to fall into that trip....it would have helped if he'd have worked in a manner that could put him on his toes a little more.

As you know....the speed horses show through the early stages of races can be tweaked by how they are handled coming into the race.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:20 PM
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In order to show improved early speed, like he will probably need to in order to fall into that trip....it would have helped if he'd have worked in a manner that could put him on his toes a little more.

As you know....the speed horses show through the early stages of races can be tweaked by how they are handled coming into the race.
What you say is true, but if I was going that deep to figure out who I would or would not bet, I'd find another race. Being up close is probably not a good idea in my opinion, but I guess we'll see on Saturday.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:40 PM
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What happened to "doing the work?"
Please tell us all the exact number of minutes we should all spend handicapping each race, and what exactly we should look at and what we shouldn't. Apparently you are the only one that knows this information.
I think CJ was just saying better value can be found elsewhere...and I think he's right.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:44 PM
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I think CJ was just saying better value can be found elsewhere...and I think he's right.
My reaction to his post in this thread had more to do with something he posted in a different thread that I took as a slight. Perhaps he didn't mean it that way. Oh well, let's move on.
I don't want to hijack TWO threads just because apparently I am unusually irritable today.
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Old 05-14-2007, 03:21 PM
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My reaction to his post in this thread had more to do with something he posted in a different thread that I took as a slight. Perhaps he didn't mean it that way. Oh well, let's move on.
I don't want to hijack TWO threads just because apparently I am unusually irritable today.
I repsonded in the other thread, I didn't mean any ill will.

As for your sig, I'll take the Silver Charm/Free House/Captain Bodgit race, mostly because I was there.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:33 PM
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Miraja, I think you are a bit off here.
Wouldn't be the first time!!
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:09 PM
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A bad trip for SS is someone blocking the rail.
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Old 05-14-2007, 06:15 PM
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I can't believe you are concerned with a workout and how strenuous it was or wasn't.

TFM,

I think he needs a great trip, while the other two have poor trips, to have a chance. If they all get a fair shot, Curlin is no better than 3rd best.

If Hard Spun gets a rough trip, it is very unlikely that Street Sense will. If the Derby winner gets a rough trip, it most likely means Hard Spun is not. I think either of those beats Curlin even with moderate adversity. I'm not even convinced he is better than Sedgefield or King of the Roxy.
I don't see why anyone has to get a 'rough trip'. HS will probably not get the lead and will have to come from just off the pace. (Is this a rough trip for him? or maybe we could arrange for some DEAD speed types to 'chase' him -- no such luck this time.)

Curlin will sit a bit behind that one and SS will be towards the rear of the pack. HS and Curlin will go at it initially and then SS will put in his run. Of course, with Chelokee in the race (unless he's not going), SS will not have a clear rail run throughout the race. Would that make it a poor trip for him?

All I ask for is to get a clear run, after having good position around the track. I'm assuming Albarado can do that.
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Old 05-14-2007, 06:29 PM
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I don't see why anyone has to get a 'rough trip'. HS will probably not get the lead and will have to come from just off the pace. (Is this a rough trip for him? or maybe we could arrange for some DEAD speed types to 'chase' him -- no such luck this time.)

Curlin will sit a bit behind that one and SS will be towards the rear of the pack. HS and Curlin will go at it initially and then SS will put in his run. Of course, with Chelokee in the race (unless he's not going), SS will not have a clear rail run throughout the race. Would that make it a poor trip for him?

All I ask for is to get a clear run, after having good position around the track. I'm assuming Albarado can do that.
Chelokee is unlikely to go in the Preakness.

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