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#1 05-14-2007, 01:42 PM

Excellent choice. Pimlico is definitely a track made for a dead closer. I'm putting $5,000 across on him.

cmorioles · #2 05-14-2007, 01:53 PM

To be fair, plenty of horses have won the Preakness in recent years from well off the pace.

miraja2 · #3 05-14-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Excellent choice. Pimlico is definitely a track made for a dead closer. I'm putting $5,000 across on him.

But don't you think the pace of the race will set up well for him? Doesn't mean he'll win, but I can't blame Pletcher if he takes a shot with this one here.

#4 05-14-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

But don't you think the pace of the race will set up well for him? Doesn't mean he'll win, but I can't blame Pletcher if he takes a shot with this one here.

No. Pimlico has been a merry-go-round this year and I really can't see Hard Spun or Street Sense coming back to the field.

miraja2 · #5 05-14-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

No. Pimlico has been a merry-go-round this year and I really can't see Hard Spun or Street Sense coming back to the field.

Well that's good to know. I am pretty sure that I only watch three races a year on this track (this one along with the BES and the Pim Special) so I have no idea how the track has been playing.
I just thought CQ would benefit from all the speed in the race, but if speed is holding up that well, I guess Hard Spun might be the play.

#6 05-14-2007, 02:14 PM

I was hoping Any Given Saturday would be entered. Although he had no shot of beating the top two in the derby, he was given no shot of placing due to Gomez moving him outside before the turn instead of waiting for the opening, which in fact occured a split second after he moved wide, on the inside. He easily could've finished third. Why Gomez decided to go wide on a track that was clearly favoring the rail is beyond me.

Would be nice to see John R. take over again.

stonegossard · #7 05-14-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I was hoping Any Given Saturday would be entered. Although he had no shot of beating the top two in the derby, he was given no shot of placing due to Gomez moving him outside before the turn instead of waiting for the opening, which in fact occured a split second after he moved wide, on the inside. He easily could've finished third. Why Gomez decided to go wide on a track that was clearly favoring the rail is beyond me.

Would be nice to see John R. take over again.

I was hoping AGS was entered also. Will take the normal "dumb" Pletcher money. He was a toss in The Derby.....would be a bigger toss in The Preakness.

cmorioles · #8 05-14-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Well that's good to know. I am pretty sure that I only watch three races a year on this track (this one along with the BES and the Pim Special) so I have no idea how the track has been playing.
I just thought CQ would benefit from all the speed in the race, but if speed is holding up that well, I guess Hard Spun might be the play.

I think you are getting some bad information there.

There were 7 routes run at Pimlico last week. One 5 to 2 shot won wire to wire. A 2 to 5 shot won from third early. The other 5 were won from the back.

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

Bystander · #9 05-14-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

Now that's hardcore.

blackthroatedwind · #10 05-14-2007, 02:19 PM

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Now that's hardcore.

Now if only we can get DrugS to listen.

tycharles01 · #11 05-14-2007, 02:18 PM

Who is gonna ride who now thats the biggest question??

Gomez messed up on AGS in the Derby
Johnny V messed up on CQ in the Derby

Should have been SS,Hard Spun,AGS,CQ Super!!!

Now

Johnny V is said to have to mount on King of the Roxy

Do they let Gomez ride CQ or??

lemoncrush · #12 05-14-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01

Who is gonna ride who now thats the biggest question??

Gomez messed up on AGS in the Derby
Johnny V messed up on CQ in the Derby

Should have been SS,Hard Spun,AGS,CQ Super!!!

Now

Johnny V is said to have to mount on King of the Roxy

Do they let Gomez ride CQ or??

Gomez would ride, I assume. He has mounts on the other stakes races there Friday, but no mount confirmed for the Preakness on Saturday. I assume Johnny V will keep his commitment to Team Valor and King of the Roxy.

zippyneedsawin · #13 05-14-2007, 02:49 PM

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Do you really think those 2 riders messed up the rides and cost their horses a chance in the super because I must have been watching a different race. AGS was in contention at the top of the lane, but he was empty late, much like his Wood run. CQ was never a factor IMO, had nothing to do with the ride.

never a factor to win, yes I agree. But he was 4 wide on the first turn and I'm not sure how wide (at least 6 wide) on the 2nd.. he finished less than 2 lengths from Curlin... I think he had a chance at the super.

#14 05-14-2007, 02:32 PM

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In regards to Pimlico, I definitely haven't seen all of the races run there this year. But I did see a good portion the first week and all of the races this past weekend. Early in the meet it was like a merry go round, very difficult to make up any ground. This past weekend the track seemed very fair. Now, that doesn't mean it won't be souped on come Preakness day, but it has been playing fair recently.

Lets not use rational thinking at Derby Trail. Track supers don't soup up the course on big days. That's a silly urban legend. The preakness will be won by a deep closer. Promise.

miraja2 · #15 05-14-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

Well, thanks for the scolding, but if you'll notice I said "IF the speed is holding up that well...."
I assure you I don't "base handicapping opinions on internet threads" and I only bet on races in which I have "done the work."
Thanks for the pointless and blatantly obvious advice.
Hey by the way.....if I were you I wouldn't place large win bets on the horse I thought was the worst horse in the race. That is a bad strategy too.

#16 05-14-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think you are getting some bad information there.

There were 7 routes run at Pimlico last week. One 5 to 2 shot won wire to wire. A 2 to 5 shot won from third early. The other 5 were won from the back.

Don't base handicapping opinions on internet threads, do the work.

I anxiously await your selections for the Preakness. Can't wait to be enlightened by yet another industry insider.

blackthroatedwind · #17 05-14-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I anxiously await your selections for the Preakness. Can't wait to be enlightened by yet another industry insider.

When exactly did CJ ever refer to himself as an " industry insider ".

Geez, all the guy did was post some facts about the recent races at Pimlico. Now he's getting attacked?

Suffolk Shippers · #18 05-14-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

No. Pimlico has been a merry-go-round this year and I really can't see Hard Spun or Street Sense coming back to the field.

I second this notion...I was down there for a week plus at the end of April, first week of May, and 75% of the races were merry go rounds. Granted, things may have changed in the interim, but I tend to think not.