an alarming trend

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Steve and JJ had a guest on their show, I don't recall her name, but I believe she's a trainer at Arlington Park.
This topic came up while they were discussing 2yos, and she put it best, saying words to the effect of, "They start training them as yearlings to do something they never want to see a horse do the minute the sale's over - run the first 1/8th in 10 seconds"

While I agree with you....

It should still be noted that most of these horses who work "lights-out" have modest and speed laden pedigrees.

It's alarming how such a high percentage of them come from unraced dams. While there seems to be an uncommonly high attrition rate with these fast working 2yo's....it's fair to point out that these, in almost all occasions, are simply not well made, fashionably and stoutly bred type of horses.

In The Green Monkey's case---he broke a record 1/8th jointly set by '04 sales topper (and Derby 2nd place finisher) Lion Heart. However, he was a very expensive yearling ($425K) and the bidding war for him only came about because he was precieved as being "all-around flawless" to go along with the fact that he displayed brief fleetness under-tack.

People don't remember, but Tiz Wonderful worked a record 1/4 mile in 20 3/5ths at the very same sale, (Beating 105 Beyer debut winner Forest Music's 20 4/5 record) --- but, Tiz Wonderful sold for something like 30-to-35 times less money than The Green Monkey...because he didn't have as flashy a pedigree, wasn't considered to be as sound and well made.

I think it's inacuarte for people to assume TGM fetched all that money, off the basis of one fast-workout....the other horse to work in record time at that sale, went on to be the second best 2-year-old in the country last year...and he sold for a fraction of the cost.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

While I agree with you....

It should still be noted that most of these horses who work "lights-out" have modest and speed laden pedigrees.

It's alarming how such a high percentage of them come from unraced dams. While there seems to be an uncommonly high attrition rate with these fast working 2yo's....it's fair to point out that these, in almost all occasions, are simply not well made, fashionably and stoutly bred type of horses.

In The Green Monkey's case---he broke a record 1/8th jointly set by '04 sales topper (and Derby 2nd place finisher) Lion Heart. However, he was a very expensive yearling ($425K) and the bidding war for him only came about because he was precieved as being "all-around flawless" to go along with the fact that he displayed brief fleetness under-tack.

People don't remember, but Tiz Wonderful worked a record 1/4 mile in 20 3/5ths at the very same sale, (Beating 105 Beyer debut winner Forest Music's 20 4/5 record) --- but, Tiz Wonderful sold for something like 30-to-35 times less money than The Green Monkey...because he didn't have as flashy a pedigree, wasn't considered to be as sound and well made.

I think it's inacuarte for people to assume TGM fetched all that money, off the basis of one fast-workout....the other horse to work in record time at that sale, went on to be the second best 2-year-old in the country last year...and he sold for a fraction of the cost.

I remember that Tiz Wonderful did not work very fast at the first preview. He worked a quarter in :22 1/5. The track was much faster at the second preview. It was raining much of the day and the track was sloppy for much of the day. Tiz Wonderful worked much faster that day. He was on his left lead all the way but it didn't stop him from working :20 3/5.