Did Hard Spun clip heels with Street Sense?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by philcski

It's a nonissue because it didn't affect the order of the race, but it appeared to me like it was very possible there was a minor amount of contact.

Yeah, I don't see it as any issue, just something interesting. I thought as I watched the race that SS was guided to the rail quicker than necessary after passing Hard Spun, the kinda thing that could be a problem...but wasn't.

[slotdirt]

There was a definite bobble by Hard Spun, but whether it was caused by wobbly legs or clipping heels is up for debate.

[Riot]

Saw the same thing, but when you look at the overhead there's room and no contact (see the NBC site for overhead views)

[slotdirt]

Speaking of Hard Spun, how can you not love Larry Jones? I particularly like the quote where he says he told Borel if he goes to the left of Hard Spun, he's going to be running on the turf course.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38874

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Speaking of Hard Spun, how can you not love Larry Jones? I particularly like the quote where he says he told Borel if he goes to the left of Hard Spun, he's going to be running on the turf course.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38874

LOL! Just so he doesn't get caught up with that like Woody Stevens did with Winning Colors in the Preakness...that kind of stuff is bad for racing!

[slotdirt]

Anybody have that overhead video saved somewhere? I am striking out on the NBC website.

[moke0043]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Anybody have that overhead video saved somewhere? I am striking out on the NBC website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmzjCLKTSKc

[cal828]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Anybody have that overhead video saved somewhere? I am striking out on the NBC website.

Look on the ESPN horseracing site. I think their video is the same as the NBC video. Shows the overhead just as the horses are rounding the turn into the stretch and Street Sense is making his big move.

[MarkyD]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Speaking of Hard Spun, how can you not love Larry Jones? I particularly like the quote where he says he told Borel if he goes to the left of Hard Spun, he's going to be running on the turf course.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38874

Damm I lost 8K with HS getting beat, took a couple of days but I got over it. It seems like Jones just keeps emphasizing about that rail opening up. It's done, it suck I know, but he has to let it go.

I thought we had settled this issue but it has reared its head over on the about website. A fellow there named depalma is responsible for the quote at the beginning of this thread.

He claims that you can see the clipping on the overhead, which I am very doubtful of. I'll have to look at it again.

It has been pointed out that HS runs like this but subsequently it was pointed out by others on about, that a) he did not run like that in the Lanes End and b) he did not bob his head like that on a regular basis in the derby only when changing leads. (depalma on the latter)

I clearly saw HS on the video bow his head before reaching the far turn. Right after the announcer calls out SEdgefield and Teuf. Whta I am not sure of is whether HS is doing this every so often on the backstretch. THought he was but the buildings get in the way. Depalma is sure he didnt do this and only does this when he changes leads.

So the mystery deepens.

THe comment by Tector I dont see as meant to be antagonistic but rather a question as to whether if this was really a clipping some objection would have been voiced. I.e. since the jock didnt object probably it didnt happen, i.e it is circumstantial evidence that it didnt happen. I think that's a fair pt. .

[tector]

Originally Posted by easy goer

The comment by Tector I dont see as meant to be antagonistic but rather a question as to whether if this was really a clipping some objection would have been voiced. I.e. since the jock didnt object probably it didnt happen, i.e it is circumstantial evidence that it didnt happen. I think that's a fair pt. .

My point was meant to question the logic of the author of the post originally posted elsewhere--if this incident, in fact, happened, logic would seem to dictate that SOMEBODY connected to HS would be complaining about it. I take their silence to be a tacit omission that it did not occur.

Peace be with you. Or, as Harvey used to say, may the horse be with you.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MarkyD

Damm I lost 8K with HS getting beat, took a couple of days but I got over it. It seems like Jones just keeps emphasizing about that rail opening up. It's done, it suck I know, but he has to let it go.

Damn, I lost 0.00K by HS getting beat....and I still can't get over about how the rail opened up for SS.

Jones might stop emphasizing it sooner or later....but, I would think it's something that will always be in his head for the rest of his life.